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From: T-Lit

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 9:32:14 AM
Buckner Bandits
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I hope you get both! :-)

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 2:31:12 PM
Wagner College
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We can always do a revote or just go with my name! XD I'm joking of course.

So, Wagner, have you decided on the playoff format?

There's nothing wrong with the IHGL. I could also vote for a revote as my 2 different suggestions lost in such an ugly manner (total of 1-1,25 votes, depending on if T-Lit's comment is count as a quarter of a vote!) xD

As we had to concentrate so much on other aspects during the last 30 hours or so, the decision on playoffs format is still pending. But as for my current view, if I'd have to say something now, I think it'd be like 85-95% probability that I'd go with the same playoff format regardless the 2 added teams. Like mentioned, that works really well for instance in Liiga (Finnish 'premier' ice hockey league). I know it'd be slightly unfortunate for you MrJ for the first season, but I hope you'll get a lot out of it anyway despite not winning all the games you'd prefer! :)

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 2:49:29 PM
Wagner College
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We needed 8 managers to do this for this method to be viable.
[....]
We have 8!
[.....]
Furthermore, what we could do now is go to the post by T-Lit in the scores thread, and T-Lit could simply bold each of the 8 managers listed above. Then we could remind everyone that these managers will be organising the games and noone else needs to.

This is only a suggestion, Wagner.

I will reply to this better probably later today (or at least tomorrow), but as the conversation has been on fire recently and messages even from yesterday seem to bury under the new ones, I want to quote part of my post from yesterday, as only T-Lit has commented on it so far. You'll find it below, starting "An important note [...]".

But first, still as a reminder: please do not yet start arranging Pickup matches for the Season 1.

That part of the post sent yesterday by me was about changing the rules in terms of fixed times for matches.

Below is the part of the message with which I was addressing this issue, and also mentioned about in this message on HGL Scores-thread: (326590.13)

So please, all participating managers, let me know if fixed time for matches is ok for you, because I think (while not convenient for any one manager), would tackle many possible issues and therefore would be very welcome addition. Of course such decision can be made without a wide acceptance, but of course acceptance would be preferable.


Here's my post from yesterday:

An important note and question is made throughout the rest of the post, @everyone:

At the moment, all times between 00.01-23.59 are possible times for organizing matches, due to being able to organize some matches in relatively convenient times (if one would want to follow match life etc.). However, the person who sends the challenge has the control on when match takes place unless a specified time when match starts is being given by HGL.

Now on the other hand this is a bit problematic, as if one team would send all his challenges, he would have control over match times unless we can agree an exact time (for instance 4.30PM EET, Eastern European Time, etc.) when match takes place. 4.30 PM EET would be approximately 5.30-9.30AM in USA, 10.30AM in Uruguay, and 10.30PM-12.30AM in Australia.

In one sense, having a fixed time for each match would solve the issue somewhat equally. The problem is though, that we are positioned all over the world from Americas to Europe to Australia, so fixed time would be somewhat compromise to all.

On a positive note though, fixed time match would make it easier in two reasons: time is already known beforehand, so nobody would complain that 'the teams that send me challenges constantly choose awkward times'.

Also, having a fixed time for match would also create a routine/standard for the league, and very/most importantly, would make it impossible to make a rematch if some managers would be into it, for, let me just say, for "various reasons".



From: Chucarro

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Date: 3/17/2025 4:02:33 PM
Club Trouville
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So please, all participating managers, let me know if fixed time for matches is ok for you



fine by me

From: demars
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Date: 3/17/2025 4:30:08 PM
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I have a question, maybe stupid, but...

I don't understand the "problem" while the time of the games.

Imagine...

i want to create a game against ANY team, from ANYwhere.
I can create it today for April the 5th at 21h00 MYTIME

Since my opponent has one month to put his lineup, where is the problem ?
With the exception of somebody wanting to watch it live, I don't see other problem.

Please answer for what I don't understand.

From: Wagner

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Date: 3/18/2025 3:34:18 AM
Wagner College
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So please, all participating managers, let me know if fixed time for matches is ok for you



fine by me

Thanks for your opinion, Chucarro!

From: MrJ

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Date: 3/18/2025 3:42:52 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

We can always do a revote or just go with my name! I'm joking of course.

So, Wagner, have you decided on the playoff format?

There's nothing wrong with the IHGL. I could also vote for a revote as my 2 different suggestions lost in such an ugly manner (total of 1-1,25 votes, depending on if T-Lit's comment is count as a quarter of a vote!) xD

As we had to concentrate so much on other aspects during the last 30 hours or so, the decision on playoffs format is still pending. But as for my current view, if I'd have to say something now, I think it'd be like 85-95% probability that I'd go with the same playoff format regardless the 2 added teams. Like mentioned, that works really well for instance in Liiga (Finnish 'premier' ice hockey league). I know it'd be slightly unfortunate for you MrJ for the first season, but I hope you'll get a lot out of it anyway despite not winning all the games you'd prefer!


Im going into the first HGL with the attitude of, "Hey, I will likely lose every game; but, maybe I will sneak a suprpise win through tactics somewhere. If not, look out in Season 2, 3, 4..."

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ

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Date: 3/18/2025 3:47:54 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
I have a question, maybe stupid, but...

I don't understand the "problem" while the time of the games.

Imagine...

i want to create a game against ANY team, from ANYwhere.
I can create it today for April the 5th at 21h00 MYTIME

Since my opponent has one month to put his lineup, where is the problem ?
With the exception of somebody wanting to watch it live, I don't see other problem.

Please answer for what I don't understand.


I agree, demars.

I don't think a set time is necessary for two reasons:

1. As demars just noted, we are setting the matches so far ahead that the start time is irrelevant.
2. (also addresses demars's comment re watching it live) Even if a team wants to watch their game live, and can't because the time isn't helpful, they can always watch the replay.

So, while I will agree to a set time if that is what everyone wants, I actually think it doesn't matter.

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Wagner

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Date: 3/18/2025 3:50:47 AM
Wagner College
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Fixed time is okay with me.

Thanks for confirming that.

But I think I'm done reading this thread. Too many posts and discussion about non-essential things. I'll check the main thread going forward so long as final updates are made there. Count my vote as in line with commissioner if necessary to proceed.

Right... Well, you are free to read or not to read this thread of course. I suppose it's a matter of taste what is essential and what's non-essential, so it's more or less fruitless to start debate about it now. But nevertheless it was a very good idea of you to mention what you said in your last sentence, so I'll count your vote being in line with Commissioners vote for now (let's say until HGL season actually starts or unless I hear from you again before that) if needed for proceeding.

As far as essential content regarding HGL, such as rules and penalties and all other essential information will be eventually added to both Official Threads. Not all content on both threads of course, but some content will be added to both Official Threads before the first regular season match. The idea/goal is that as manager reads both threads (as far as about 10 official posts of both threads are concerned) they will have enough information to be able to start playing in HGL, and will be able to follow the guidelines/rules set by HGL.

From: MrJ

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Date: 3/18/2025 3:51:58 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
Fixed time is okay with me.

Thanks for confirming that.

But I think I'm done reading this thread. Too many posts and discussion about non-essential things. I'll check the main thread going forward so long as final updates are made there. Count my vote as in line with commissioner if necessary to proceed.

Right... Well, you are free to read or not to read this thread of course. I suppose it's a matter of taste what is essential and what's non-essential, so it's more or less fruitless to start debate about it now. But nevertheless it was a very good idea of you to mention what you said in your last sentence, so I'll count your vote being in line with Commissioners vote for now (let's say until HGL season actually starts or unless I hear from you again before that) if needed for proceeding.

As far as essential content regarding HGL, such as rules and penalties and all other essential information will be eventually added to both Official Threads. Not all content on both threads of course, but some content will be added to both Official Threads before the first regular season match. The idea/goal is that as manager reads both threads (as far as about 10 official posts of both threads are concerned) they will have enough information to be able to start playing in HGL, and will be able to follow the guidelines/rules set by HGL.



Keep up the great work, Wagner.

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
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