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Thank you Jotadoce and GM-Enzo for your votes!

Also, if you have any time to spare for this league, please read some of the discussion of rules and penalties being proposed for this league, and please cast your opinions on any part of it, especially how complicated or simple, harsh or allowing you would prefer these future rules of the league to be. The more you let me know "why" behind your thinking, the better I know how they need to be possibly changed.

Please note, that some possibly problematic scenarios are connected to some of the penalties I suggested in my proposition, and we haven't still discussed them too much. (Therefore, we might have to give up enforcing such penalties for that reason only, in order to remain fair to all). Soon there will be time for that, but first I'd like to hear from everyone what they think of my proposed rules. My proposition (4 long messages) can be found starting from message (324689.336).

As you can see, I have prepared to many possibilities in my proposition as I like a thorough approach, but likely 'simple' and 'complicated' (or something in between) means more or less 14 different things for us, as there are 14 of us.

For managers that have already replied something to the rules/penalties proposition for the league; would you please elaborate if you've mentioned 'I prefer simple rules' etc.

Because so far I have only heard from 2-3 different managers (if I'm not mistaken) a bit more thorough thoughts on what 'simple' penalties/rules mean for them, what do they like or do not like about my proposition, etc.
And as simple is a very subjective term, the better you all describe your opinion and why is that your preference, the better it helps me understand what managers would prefer.

Like everyone already likely knows, as a person who originally suggested starting this league, I have quite strong views on some things considering this league (how I think it/some aspects of it should look like) and there are certain things I'd like to hold on (even if we'd move towards light rules/not as many penalties as in my proposition).
But as we are in this together, I'm sure we're able to find some good middle ground.

RESULTS:

Updated:

1 BBHG (BuzzerBeater HomeGrown) (Wagner)
0 The League (Wagner)
1 H²G²L (Heroic Home Grown GreatestS League) (demars)
0 IHGL (International HG League) (MrJ)
9 HGL (Hadar)

I think it is fair to say that HGL is now the official name of this new league of ours.

@ Wagner. Regarding the new thread, I would probably go with the formal use with HGL in brackets. Having a thread for each season makes sense too.

Eg.

Home-Grown League (HGL) Offical Thread Season 68 or something like this.

@ regarding the rules. I am still in strong favour of keeping it simple with trust being the currency. Trusting managers to stay HG. Trusting managers to play by the rules and do their best to set line-ups/organise PU games etc. Trust. Consequences can be given if and when needed.

I vote for HGL as well and option 1 for me

I think it is fair to say that HGL is now the official name of this new league of ours.

Yes, 12 out of 14 managers already voted, so rest of the votes won't anymore turn the ship so to speak - HGL it will be.

@ Wagner. Regarding the new thread, I would probably go with the formal use with HGL in brackets. Having a thread for each season makes sense too.

Eg.

Home-Grown League (HGL) Offical Thread Season 68 or something like this.

Thanks. Looking good, but do you all prefer Season 68 instead of Season 1 (as this will be season 1 for HGL)?

Season 1 would in a way be more logical to me, and from that you could also immediately conclude how many seasons have been played so far.

On the other hand, using the season number that reflects to Buzzerbeater season in question might make it easier to find for all managers.

What do you guys think? I'll wait your reply at least a bit less than a day, so you may let us know your opinions on this if you have them.

Waiting for your reply doesn't postpone the launch of forum threads, as I will finalize forum posts meanwhile.
Yes, threads, as I will create a separate forum thread for the box scores for the league (so please let me create it, as it gives me possibility to edit these first posts later on) if you don't mind, or otherwise box scores will fill this new Official HGL thread and following regular discussion would become increasingly and unnecessarily difficult).
Box scores links/match results would be sent to that forum. Possibly also current league table - to be decided.
So for that another forum thread, would name HGL Scores Season 68 (or 1?) be fine?

@ regarding the rules. I am still in strong favour of keeping it simple with trust being the currency. Trusting managers to stay HG. Trusting managers to play by the rules and do their best to set line-ups/organise PU games etc. Trust.

Thank you for your opinion. What do other participating managers think of my proposition? (324689.336)

Earlier on I think you MrJ also proposed penalties such as disqualification from the league if you become non-homegrown during the season, and forfeit losses for the matches if you fail to organize them, etc.

I think what you earlier presented as for the minimum sanction levels is the absolute minimum penalty level we should apply for this league, and I would tighten that initial rule proposition of yours at least by applying very strict rule for becoming non-homegrown. (Having said that, I don't have that rule proposition of yours right here on my hands, and as forum search functionality is a non-existent feature for me being non-Supporter, I don't have time right now on this minute to take a close look at your suggestion, but I said that based on what I remember having read from your proposition).

Speaking of trust, if you compare your earlier proposition to my proposition (that tries to take into account many different possible problematic scenarios), your proposition already in fact leaves very much depending on a trust. So applying a rule set/penalties for violations that are closer to your initial proposition would already give lots of trust to managers, as if they would want, they would be able to mess up the league big time with only those sanctions being applied.

Consequences can be given if and when needed.

In theory this sounds ok/so-so.
However, I don't know about you guys, but I personally would like to:
A) be informed upfront what is it that's allowed and what's not
B) know beforehand what is the penalty (at least approximately) if I break some rule

Unless I know these, having received penalty later on from a violation tastes a lot more sour, than if I had heard of the right and wrong way of doing things and penalties associated to certain violations, so this could also backfire in negative way.

As Commissioner, Wagner, I think you should make any decisions you deem necessary (Re rules, threads, labelling etc) and we will support you. :-)

Thanks for a quick reply, MrJ, and I guess you are right - thank you for your support. :)

I realize these naming things (in terms of whether we use 'Season 68' or 'Season 1' in a title) aren't critical for the league by any means, but I also wanted to ask if you guys have strong opinions on them.
Sometimes including more than 1 set of brains to a decision process yields more optimal results.
While this is not a great example of such process, I was asking this because it won't be so easy (read:logical) to change the season naming practice for the next seasons (at least from 'Season 68' to 'Season 2' naming practice, while to the other way around it might be more easily/logically possible if needed).

Thanks for your votes, everyone who have been voting on league rules/commissioner voting, and for a league name voting as well! In both votings we have clear winners, results '1' and 'HGL', respectively.

That'll ensure our league will be known as (and official league abbreviation will be) HGL, and as you're aware, I'll be working as a league Commissioner for this HGL league.

I'll be opening those aforementioned new forum threads for the league soon, and will finalize other texts such as the ones concerning league penalties after that, also taking into account on what you guys comment (and partly already have commented) on my previously presented rule suggestion.
For instance simple approach has been on wish list of some participating managers in terms of rules/penalties applied for the league, but it's a pretty subjective term to be honest, and the more you are willing to elaborate, the better.

To refer to my earlier post (324689.336), in it I was referring to my rules proposition posts (especially posts beginning with Brief compilation of [....] asking for instance the following:

If you don't like some parts of it, let me know. But please, if you don't like it, would you let me know for instance:
A) why you don't like it,
B) what in it you don't like,
C) what penalties would you change/not use, and
D) why would you want to change some aspects of my proposition, what are the benefits of your proposition over mine?

You guys don't have to reply anything to this, if you don't find time/energy for it. I am able to create some kind of rules/penalties rule set for the league without any additional feedback.
However, replying would help me to better understand the wishes of the community, of which I already have some clue on of course. But understanding the 'why' behind opinions is often very, very beneficial.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/11/2025 10:08:14 AM

My vote is for HGL, I truly do like BBHG, (but what if the name of the site changes and its not BB anymore) I also like IHGL too because it does spread the international welcoming of it.

So either HGL or IHGL is good for this guy! :-)

My vote is for HGL, I truly do like BBHG, (but what if the name of the site changes and its not BB anymore) I also like IHGL too because it does spread the international welcoming of it.

So either HGL or IHGL is good for this guy! :-)

Thanks, T-Lit.

Hi !

I think Season I is better than LXVIII, because it's rather shorter.

(this is my revenge for not being approved for H²G²L :P )

Last edited by demars at 3/12/2025 4:40:43 PM