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191089.65 in reply to 191089.64
Date: 9/2/2011 2:02:20 PM
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That sounds good. do you thing a player like this would be a valuable defender at any position? say if someone was injured or there was only one dominate player on the other team that you had him guard?

We have a lot of great outside shooters. Unfortunately, we play all our games indoors.
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191089.66 in reply to 191089.65
Date: 9/2/2011 2:44:04 PM
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I think so. He'd play best offensively at small forward, or as a look inside point guard, but defensively he'd be effective against virtually any player on the opposition.

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191089.67 in reply to 191089.66
Date: 9/4/2011 2:36:00 PM
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So I'm rebuilding my team and will most likely be dumped back into D.IV for a season. But I will have about 3 Million in cash, plus three very good trainees and maybe a draft pick or two.

What should I be aiming for?? If ID really isn't necessary how dominant would I need to make my OD to cover it up? I'm training Guards/Small Forwards so I have the potential to create very versatile or unique players to fit my new team. I was planning on aiming for a big that looked something like 14 ID 13 IS 12 RB but now I'm reconsidering. Should I have something more like 15 RB 15 IS 11 ID with decent secondaries and then crank the OD up a notch for the rest of my team? I'm just looking for the best way to center my team around a solid defense with versatile scoring options

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191089.68 in reply to 191089.67
Date: 9/5/2011 12:40:37 AM
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I'd say the most important stat for your big men, particularly if you're training guards, is rebounding. Your opponents who are training bigs will have good rebounding, and be getting a boost to it by playing LI, so it's important to be able to match it. If you can limit your opponent's possessions through good offensive flow, OD, and rebounding, and combine that with great all around defense, you won't give up many points.

I wouldn't exactly say ID is unnecessary, it depends on the team. I value other skills for my bigs, but all of my guards have solid levels of ID. If you're going for a dominant defensive team, you may even want to consider something more along the lines of 15 RB 15 ID 11 IS, with some good JS to be able to score in an outside offense. Regardless, it's worth cranking your OD up a few notches, you really can't have too much of that.

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191089.69 in reply to 191089.68
Date: 9/7/2011 9:53:38 AM
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Id say aim for a big around the 15rb 15is 11id for now with great secondaries. Problem with that though is you may have to upgrade if u promote. However, u can get by with lower ID ratings by having pretty good ID on your guards. So i would definitely taylor your bigs to your guards' skills. Also, when u go shop for players make sure to be picky. Dont just go out and buy someone that looks good because he may not fit your team. Also, if u can try to get guys that are younger that can help you for many seasons.

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191089.70 in reply to 191089.68
Date: 9/8/2011 6:39:27 PM
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When you say bigs with JS and guards with ID are we talking 6-7 range or higher? After 7 their value starts to skyrocket

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191089.71 in reply to 191089.70
Date: 9/8/2011 6:58:49 PM
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The higher the better, but 6-7 range is fine.

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191089.72 in reply to 191089.1
Date: 9/12/2011 5:41:45 PM
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I just got 2 new 18 year olds one star and one perennial all star potential. The one star potential center has average ID and average IS. My other guy is a small forward with perennial star potential and is inept in most areas. I was deciding which one i should train to become a back up. I am training the star potential center right now, but i am not sure which one to train.

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191089.73 in reply to 191089.64
Date: 9/17/2011 9:51:07 AM
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The reason you don't see players like this (18 OD/ID, 17 PA, 15 SB) on the Transfer List is that it is impossible for them to exist, at least according to Coach Parrot.

Even if you start with all respectables and just train a 203 cm/18 y prospect up to 18 OD/ID and 15 SB, that takes about seven seasons so he will be 24-25 y/o at that point. Not much room to add anything more other than maybe a couple of pops in passing. No way you could get all his other stats up to 8-10.

It's the same reason you so rarely see high JR paired with high IS. Both train slowly and are sensitive to the height of the prospect (in opposite directions obviously).

edit: It's possible I am using CP wrong, since I have only been playing around with it for a week or so.

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191089.74 in reply to 191089.73
Date: 9/17/2011 10:55:18 AM
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I don't know how fast such a player would train, no one has taken a player from 18 to 25 or 26 with cross training. ID and SB are connected, and passing trains very fast, but getting the last few pops in OD would be painful. Although, going off Josef Ka's new formula, a player with those stats wouldn't hit a potential cap with MVP or higher, so feasibly you could spend an extra season or two training beyond 26 if you were set on hitting those numbers, assuming it would in fact take that long. Even if you set the targets a little lower, you'd still have a very effective player.

The main issue is that you won't find many teams that are willing to devote 7 or more seasons to train a player with limited offensive capabilities and subpar rebounding out of position. That's also why quality SF's are so rare. It requires a lot of sacrifice to create unique players, and few people want to sell them.

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191089.75 in reply to 191089.74
Date: 9/19/2011 5:53:26 AM
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it seems like being unique can be successful if you play it right, but it almost sounds to difficult to be logical unless its ingrained in what your doing.

We have a lot of great outside shooters. Unfortunately, we play all our games indoors.
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