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From: Wagner

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326589.64 in reply to 326589.61
Date: 4/3/2025 11:24:16 AM
Wagner College
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O[...]I don't agree with the level of detail around times - when we play Consolation Cup with the National teams Australia's games are ALWAYS played hours before everyone else and each round is stretched across almost the full 24-hour spread and yet it seems to work just fine.

Your thorough response would deserve even longer response, but I'll just say in here that this has been discussed in lengthy manner (yes, mostly by me) in Homegrown teams II-thread. Forums are useless for us non-supporters when needing to find information later on, so I can't (won't) now link my older posts here. But I assure you there are many benefits on playing on the same time (and 1 hour tolerance is already accepted, especially if it's not done on purpose). I can't even recall all reasons what I could come up with why it's beneficial to do it this way, but like I said, it's all been said on the forum if one wants to read it.
It's really long subject anyway... And match times will never be good to all, as we reside on the edges of the world so to speak. So at least 50% of matches would be at lousy times anyways (and we would have to change the volunteering challenge system used now, to balance that, or then for other teams it could be like 85% bad times), now you at least:
A) know which time of day it will take place, and
B) scores will be available sooner, and
C) it creates standard for league,
D) results of (especially playoff) matches aren't available before other matches have even started, and
E) most importantly you can not decide to use other PU match result later on as matches happen at the same time (theoretically it would also be possible for Commissioner to verify each match time and number separately, but given the amount of work included already now, I'm not sure I need any added layer of complexity due to that - spent hours and hours already this time to check everything out).

Last edited by Wagner at 4/3/2025 11:29:10 AM

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326589.65 in reply to 326589.64
Date: 4/3/2025 1:42:59 PM
Les Gueux du Marais
III.4
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Second Team:
Rance BC
I can understand the vision of Deano25 but once the season will be started, I'm sure we'll be glad that it is meticulously organised so thank you for the hard work you produced Wagner ! Furthermore, maybe the "standards" you are creating for the league can be a part of the fun we'll have playing in it. It makes it more official.

Now let the HGL begin and good luck to everyone

From: Deano25

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Date: 4/3/2025 4:03:10 PM
Heywood Big Dogs
II.2
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Second Team:
Heywood Lions
Wagner, not for a second am I questioning how much time you are putting into this. It is clear it is way more than any other manager, but no one is asking you to do that. I’m just expressing how I’m feeling about this league. If we’re worried about the super long forums and how hard it makes it to find things, maybe a single response to my post instead of - was it three or four - may have been sufficient.
I don’t want to debate this. Play the league how you will. I’ll make the adjustments necessary in time so games against me are authentic and don’t ruin the experience for other managers, but then I’m out.

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From: Wagner

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Date: 4/4/2025 10:22:44 AM
Wagner College
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Some updates on what still is waiting to be completed, 6.4.2025 at 16.50 EET (only non-urgent minor issue):

@Deano 25 (EDIT 6.4.2025):
2 links are not functional (due to extra space after '=')in your box score post. This is definitely not a big deal, nor is it urgent as it's just most important to have the right information in there (as you now do), but maybe you can fix it in some later time, here: (326590.56).

Last edited by Wagner at 4/6/2025 9:58:26 AM

From: MrJ

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326589.69 in reply to 326589.61
Date: 4/5/2025 1:36:03 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
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340340
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
Ok, I think I have sent appropriate timed games to the managers who I needed to send adjusted times to (though apparently I sent one that I already had correct). It is currently 1:20am Friday morning here, I've just come back from running a three day camp for the school I work at and I have work tomorrow, but I'm trying to get things in order as specified and to be frank finding things buried in the threads of these forums is frustrating at the best of times, let alone when I'm half asleep.

We are so close to the start of the season, so I want to make sure I do what is required of me to get it to run because of the work everyone has put into it, but if you have another team who is interested in taking part next year please give them my place. We haven't even hit round one yet and I'm hating seeing the little notification pop up that there is chat in the forum that requires my attention.

As I've mentioned before, this is a game and if it feels onerous it has ceased to be a game for me. I don't agree with the level of detail around times - when we play Consolation Cup with the National teams Australia's games are ALWAYS played hours before everyone else and each round is stretched across almost the full 24-hour spread and yet it seems to work just fine. But if the majority of managers want to play it that way, so be it.
If we have too many games scheduled it is because I've tried to schedule them, stuffed up the time and rescheduled the game. In no way would it be to gain an edge - I mean, who would bother to do that? What would that say about your character as a person if you truly tried to run multiple games against another opponent to try and engineer a result to win a fantasy, online basketball match?

To me, running a Home Grown team is just somehting I've been doing for a long time to see if I could.
Once everyone has accepted the updated times I'll update the links and the season can play out then I'm out.



I both fully agree and understand, Deano25.


Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
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Date: 4/5/2025 9:30:50 AM
Wagner College
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I can understand the vision of Deano25 but once the season will be started, I'm sure we'll be glad that it is meticulously organised so thank you for the hard work you produced Wagner ! Furthermore, maybe the "standards" you are creating for the league can be a part of the fun we'll have playing in it. It makes it more official.

Now let the HGL begin and good luck to everyone (party)

Thank you Coach Faz,
I'm very glad to hear some managers share my views on positive sides of creating and retaining some standards to HGL - I completely share that view with you, and I also totally agree that it can add to the fun aspect of it, as for me also it makes HGL feel more like "the real thing". Often times in life, the more you put into something, the more you can get in return.

As some might have already noticed, I have finalized a rule/penalties set for Season 1 of HGL, which consists of 4 posts; this one (326589.7) and 3 following posts (all titled "Additional rules and penalties for violations").

Please don't be intimidated by the word count, it is mainly due to conversatory nature of my writing style and actually introduces only few penalty levels. Also, as you can see, post 3/4 will not apply hardly any (or any) of us during Season 1, but it might be very useful information especially for new managers with small rosters considering joining HGL in the future.

From: Wagner

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Date: 4/5/2025 10:44:10 AM
Wagner College
II.2
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I have also updated Top8 salaries and teams receiving salary benefit-information to this post: (326589.4). Thanks again MrJ for providing us that top8 salary data!

@all HGL participating managers - countdown is at 2 days currently! I hope we can get everything finalized before that, that's mentioned in this post: (326589.68).

Last edited by Wagner at 4/5/2025 11:35:27 AM

From: demars
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Date: 4/6/2025 8:16:35 AM
Elan Demars
III.10
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195195
Amagad !!!!

I've just made my first lineup for the HGL (weird name...), and my opponent's 2 best players have the same salary as my entire team (glups).

Like in Game of Throne, I would say "Hodor", but I'm not sure it will be enough to win...

From: MrJ

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Date: 4/6/2025 9:44:38 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
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340340
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
Amagad !!!!

I've just made my first lineup for the HGL (weird name...), and my opponent's 2 best players have the same salary as my entire team (glups).

Like in Game of Throne, I would say "Hodor", but I'm not sure it will be enough to win...


LOL

Well, my friend, your best player has a salary of $59k

My entire team salaries total less than $59k!


Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Wagner

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Date: 4/6/2025 9:50:43 AM
Wagner College
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205205
@all participating managers of HGL:

Now we are officially finished in our match organization process, so everything is ready for Season 1 of HGL! :)
Thank you for everyone's co-operation during the match organization process.

I wrote a short (come on, it's a relative term;) Announcement which serves as an intro for the Season 1, found from here: (326589.2).

Let's keep discussion alive on this thread - like I've said, for me this is going to be mentally my "premier", most important league in Buzzerbeater from now on, and I'm very much looking forward to playing against (or rather, with) you guys!
Best of luck to all of you for Season 1!


Last edited by Wagner at 4/6/2025 9:51:04 AM

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