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I have the time to follow through and I have the ideas to get teams more interested in the NT.

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I dont think these next two seasons need to be judged on performance of the team rather it needs to be judged on how well the new coach does to get community involvment as well as how he sets up the team for future success. Could we win worlds in two seasons? well, if we have a lot of luck but we would first have to qualify by performing well this season. I dont feel like we are at a top comptitive level though and we need to work on preparing the team for a future run which i am prepared to do that as well as take all the heat from parts of the communit thats wants to win now.

Tapia was just on the TL earlier this week, 20/18/18 and pretty much flat naked otherwise. So, Maples +XXXXX

Garcia, their #2 guy, last we had skills... 19/19/16 with 10 JS and pretty much naked otherwise. So, Jairo (our #3) XXX and XXX (on a 70k salary gap, suggests to me that Jario's sublevels are better than Garcia's), or Bland XXX XXX, and Bland had much better PA/HN.

We're just not in the mystical 16/16/16 vs 18/18/18 hole against Chile. So what's with the insistence on the strawman?

Last edited by jfarb at 2/9/2012 4:27:00 PM

But the training system you advocate isn't "carry[ing] these players in the NBBA". It's having a farm team build the players for you so that you don't have to break out of your comfortable little mold to actually get the players built. Which is what leads to situations like the Owens transfer (or Bronson's serial transfers, where everyone gets to feel good that they would have bought him if only some foreign manager hadn't paid more than he was worth, and they can just bitch about overpriced US players on the transfer list without actually being expected to fix the problem).

If we are going to expect NBBA teams is going to "carry" a major big man, then we should expect that they actually make use of the fact that they're going to throw 1 game a week any way in order to acquire a high potential trainee and get him trained. It's unreasonable to expect and demand that a lower division team is going to spend millions of dollars on an 18yo trainee (or forgo those dollars to keep their own draftee), spend four seasons training him up to the point where he breaks their payroll, and then sell him on to an NBBA team who will now finish out his training. There's a lot of long term proof that it doesn't pencil out financially unless your team is developing and promoting because of the trainee(s), and teams are going to be much more interested in participating if they're presented with a viable way to have a piece of the NT, instead of just going down as "that guy who trained XXX before he became Coco's player".

It's almost a certainty that Tapia's guard skills are the result of him being "born that way", so I think it's fair to consider him "flat naked". By contrast, some of our newer prospects (and I'm sure some of Chile's up and comers, or maybe even some of the ones in the top 4 now) are clearly not "flat naked", as their guard skills are at levels that can't occur in the wild. They might have started at all 7s, I really don't know, but there was some effort put into getting them to where they are now. Ultimately, it's a moot point how Tapia's guard skills got to where they are. The 6 PA is obviously significantly better than Maples' contribution, but I certainly wouldn't argue that his other skills make an earth-shattering difference to his performance compared to Maples.

But, rather than put words in your mouth... is it your position that Maples in similar game shape is unable to match up with Tapia? If someone gave him 1 more IS and 1 more ID pop, would your position change? (I'll grant that training Maples probably isn't actually a GOOD idea, but the question remains.) Could Bland or one of our other top centers match up with Tapia with 2 pops or less?

As to your first question: you are incorrectly presupposing that the game threads provide all the relevant answers and that the coach just ratifies them. In fact, the coaching has two indispensable functions in that process: getting the thread started by laying down the options and making the final calls. Rambo spent entire Monday mornings in the chat with me, wozz and others trying to make final matchup and tactics decisions. Your objection is a bit like saying that since the us president has advisors, there is nothing left for him to decide....

It's not at all like that actually. Our choices are, are we calling anyone up?, are we running LI R&G or Motion?, are we playing M2M, 3-2, or 2-3?, are we playing TIE Normal or CT?. Pretty straight forward and with the people in our community the knowledge is there even if a manager personally doesn't have "experience" he can make tactical decisions with no problem. Starting a thread isn't hard at all... As far as the chats go I'm not discrediting them entirely but if the coach gets the chatter going in the thread a week before I don't understand what last second adjustments would need to be made.

I just want to make sure that there are people in the nt staff whose job it's to attend to the pipeline (we need at least half a dozen)

I will say this again... I agree the staff is great and the way they are set up is great, but, I still feel the coach personally needs to be out in the community and having more contact. I think this is a big reason we don't have a connect between U21 team and national team. They operate as 2 separate entities, and to a point they are, but the NT manager needs to personally be on top of the pipeline along with the staff to keep things moving in the right direction.

With my job I am playing around on BB and the off-site all the time so I would be able to respond to mail from the community and any discussions we had going at all times essentially. I'm typing these responses from my phone.

As far as ideas to get the community more involved and by doing so create a bigger pipeline... I'm going to preface it by saying i don't know what the limitations are as far as being able to provide supporter etc...

1. Create a private league system with our top prospects at each age group pitting players coming up through the ranks against each other and trying to create rivalries and competition that enticed managers to stay the course. This is where the supporter comes in... If managers get prospects to a certain point they would get it and get put in a PL with other players to start these rivalries.

2. Use the off-site to create training strategies for propects (which we already have) but then take and deliver this to the managers personally. Again I think having the coach personally contact then will get people more excited that aren't already a part of the NT.

3. Create mentor programs uniquely built around their prospects to help them promote and therefore be able to sustain their players on their team for longer. Give them realistic monetary numbers as far as potential merchandising and ways to build their team around their player to advance through the game. And again I as the NT Coach would deliver these programs.

Etc.

Last edited by southpaw17 at 2/10/2012 2:56:31 AM

I will say this again... I agree the staff is great and the way they are set up is great, but, I still feel the coach personally needs to be out in the community and having more contact. I think this is a big reason we don't have a connect between U21 team and national team. They operate as 2 separate entities, and to a point they are, but the NT manager needs to personally be on top of the pipeline along with the staff to keep things moving in the right direction.

I have to agree with this. Even if the NT coach sent out a common message to everyone with a good trainee it would encourage them to train that player because they just got contacted by the "NT Coach". That is a big deal to some people. Scouts help out a lot by putting together the reports of what each player is being trained in and how they are looking but all these trainers need the motivation from the NT and U21 coaches themselves. The scouts can tell the owners of these players that "they can train them and and they will help their teams" or "they can sell them and make lots of money" but really that isnt goiing to do anything. They need motivation by the NT and U21 coaches to feel special like they are really part of the NT.