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From: BB-Forrest

To: ned
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114356.62 in reply to 114356.44
Date: 10/4/2009 8:23:39 PM
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the changes we have made to the economy due exactly the opposite of what you suggest here. We are going to design player salaries to be fixed and tuned to global income, so that salaries and revenue are explicitly tied together, so that we can assure long term economic stability. This free agent release we see as a short term measure addressing a short term problem, and we still have confidence in our long term plan. We did a poor job predicting how changes we made, and still believe were neccesary were going to affect the market.

Lets review for instance the arena decision. SOME top teams were building huge arenas and huge fan bases, if this continued we would see as you said "the same teams as top teams" all the time, and promoted teams would not be able to build an arena large enough quick enough to compete. So, we made it harder to fill larger arenas, and change the attendance formula such that overall teams earned about the same, but there was less of a spread in amount of income at top divisions. In doing so we felt it was unfair to teams that build huge arenas to change the rules and make their perfectly reasonable long term strategy a penalty, and so we allowed for the arenas deconstruction, which caused this temporary influx of extra cash into the system.

In addition, we announced changes in the marketing revenue, which did increase marketing revenue, but were offset in part by the increase in salaries.. remember previously we were reducing the revenue sharing tax as time went on to keep balance with rising salaries. This was not intended to inject a large amount of money into the system.

Rather than continue this game of raising revenue to match rising salaries, we decided long term it would be better to keep global salary costs more fixed, and so we announced this change to avoid having to announce other changes season after season and have a more constant set of rules. Some seem to have misinterpreted that salaries are going to be going down in the future, or that their specific teams salaries are not going to go up anymore, no matter what level they are competing at... and therefore believe they have more money to spend.

Each of these has led to a temporary fiscal and psychological impact on the market causing prices to rise.. and rise more than we expected, and we are concerned about the inevitable correction that will follow when the bubble bursts, and have thus taken action to rise to limit the size of the uptick in the bubble. We don't think that this action is a major action, but we do hope that it makes the market take a second look at the decisions they are making and reconsider their long term strategy.

Those who are upset at the fact that prices are going to fall because of the free agent release, i would say that prices were going to fall no matter what it was only a question as to from what height, and at what time. The realities of the economics were such that we were convinced we were looking at a bubble.. prices were rising at an unsustainable rate. we stepped in and put our foot down on the party.. not a popular move, but a move I think we all wish were done on the housing bubble before things got too bad. Or at least that is how we view it.

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114356.66 in reply to 114356.62
Date: 10/4/2009 9:16:58 PM
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I think I am following what you are doing with the economy. So correct me if I am wrong with this summary:

1. The salary calculation is changing so that you can have a controlled amount of outflow for ALL teams. So if the total players salary in the game for all teams is say $1 billion (as example) this season, and based on incomes you might need to make the total salaries $1.1 billion. So the total would change some, and the distribution of that would go to all players based on their skill level. So training a player will more than likely raise their salary based on the fact that they move up in terms of where they are compared to all the players in BB. That is my understanding.

2. From BB comments the FA adding back into the game I think has to do with the reaction to number 1. where teams believe they have a surplus that the can spend based on perceived salary reduction (and also sales of arena seats). And this is done to slow the inflation of rising prices of players on the TL. So is this temporary? and will we know what the salary threshold is for FAs to retire or go to the TL?

I'm not sure if the FA thing will work out from my perspective since I am saving up to buy a player, but again you say this is long term, so we will wait and see.

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114356.67 in reply to 114356.66
Date: 10/4/2009 10:07:05 PM
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i really dont mind the change if its going to fix what your trying to fix.

i just very upset and disadvantaged that we were given no notice.

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114356.69 in reply to 114356.68
Date: 10/4/2009 11:24:07 PM
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i just spent all my money on upgrading my arena.
if i had some prior knowledge that free agents were coming back i would not have done that.
im very under powered for the div im in, getting a good free agent for a low price was not an option when i decided to upgrade my arena.
but now it is.

i dont expect prices to drop over night , but i can see the odd few free agents been sold under price, these are the players i would of jumped on, and imho would greatly increase my chances of staying up.

im not saying im disadvantaged in selling, im disadvantaged in buying.
my only problem really with what you guys are done is that there was no notice.

i love this game by the way, and like in real life i roll with what comes my way so i guess ill just adjust somehow lol

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114356.70 in reply to 114356.62
Date: 10/5/2009 3:15:57 AM
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Lets review for instance the arena decision. SOME top teams were building huge arenas and huge fan bases, if this continued we would see as you said "the same teams as top teams" all the time, and promoted teams would not be able to build an arena large enough quick enough to compete. So, we made it harder to fill larger arenas, and change the attendance formula such that overall teams earned about the same, but there was less of a spread in amount of income at top divisions. In doing so we felt it was unfair to teams that build huge arenas to change the rules and make their perfectly reasonable long term strategy a penalty, and so we allowed for the arenas deconstruction, which caused this temporary influx of extra cash into the system.


In my opinion it's not not really true. As I wrote before, my team (as world rank 14, I think my team is one of the top teams) I’m able to earn $ 606k from home match and I believe it should be even better. Last season my best gate receipts was $ 555k, it’s at least $ 50k more. I’m not sure if average team has this increase, probably not. And I also will get $ 1M for arena deconstruction. I think it will be even harder for all other teams in my country to win the championships (there were the same league finals for last 5 seasons). The gap between my team and the others in my country is going to increase. In addition I have in my roster 3 domestic NT players a 2 other solid domestic players and have the first or second highest merchandise income in country.
But I thank you anyway for the changes. It’s time for me to build team which will be able to compete well in B3, because only there are teams which can beat my team.

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114356.71 in reply to 114356.67
Date: 10/5/2009 3:44:27 AM
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i just very upset and disadvantaged that we were given no notice.


You might want to consider the option that there was a recent change of idea @BB and that immediate action were needed to halt the inflationary process. I remember JUICEPATS somewhere said it was never going to return; but it did; it took courage to take that action. IMO it was a necesssary move due to the irrational buyers/sellers market; and prompt action was required. With 50000 users; always some actions taken are not perfect timed in view to few users; thats life.

Last edited by GM-Rijswijker at 10/5/2009 3:45:58 AM

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114356.72 in reply to 114356.71
Date: 10/5/2009 3:58:19 AM
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i understand all of this and i do agree that it is indeed what was needed to be done.
i just think it was wrong we were not given any notice, i have explained why, and in my eyes its a valid complaint.

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