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In HT, if an incomplete lineup is submitted, they pull in subs to fill out the lineup

The same is done here.

Like HT, if the players aren't even nominated to be in the game, they will not be pulled.

Maybe that could be tweaked to pull in players even if they aren't nominated for that game.....

If a guy submits a depth chart (I should stop using lineup) with 6 guys and has another 4 or 5 on the "not playing" side of the ledger, maybe those guys get pulled in by default. I don't know if that's possible or not.

If a javascript form checker is implemented in the Game Setup page to indicate to a user that they have spaces in their depth chart and it could cause problems may help this problem.

Also having a "Set Orders" turn to red if there is a space in the depth chart.
i.e. a player that was in the depth chart was sold since it was set originally.

Seeing the arguments against changing things already in this topic I would like to say, it would be nicer if the user was at least warned within the same page. It doesn't have to stop the user from entering an incomplete depth chart, just adds a warning.

Maybe that could be tweaked to pull in players even if they aren't nominated for that game.....

If I have a player in the "un-nominated" section, under no circumstances do I want him to play.

Maybe that could be tweaked to pull in players even if they aren't nominated for that game.....

If I have a player in the "un-nominated" section, under no circumstances do I want him to play.

I agree for players like you and I, but will you or someone active ever submit less than a 10 player depth chart?
I can't see why? A whistle happy ref and then you forfeit?

I am pretty sure you can avoid forfeiting with 5 players because it was the less than 5 player bug that caused the BBs to introduce forfeiting.

If someone puts 5 starters on the field and repeats their names through the depth chart (maybe doesnt even require the repeating) then, from my understanding, they do not forfeit and should get full minutes.
If an injury occurs in this case then a Lucky Fan will appear and play for the injured player.

if there are 5 players on the roster this is correct. if there are more players on the roster, but not in the DC then after someone is injured or fouls out they will get pulled. It is even conceivable that in SFDC and the starter set was USELESS and got REALLY TIRED and became 1000 times less effective than a bench player who wasn't in the depth chart, then the bench player could come in. It literally is 1000 times less effective... i could make it 1,000,000 times less effective if i wanted.... making it never is problematic though, from a programming logic point of view. cause its not never.. its never unless something dramatically bad happens, but only for this position... and plus watch out if there is actually another guy available at that position but he happens to be playing somewhere else right now.. now he can't go anywhere else.. etc.etc...

I set a lineup the other day with 7 players, because I didn't want to risk injury/too many minutes to my starters. There are plenty of reasons to do so.

There's really no problem I see with the current system.

There's really no problem I see with the current system.

Really?
If you only want to choose 7 players to play in a scrimmage, I don't have a problem with that. However, having forfeits isn't realistic and I just think there should be a way to eliminate them.....

What isn't realistic about them? If a team doesn't show up to play, they forfeit. In this game, not setting a lineup is the same as not showing up to play.

What do you propose? You suggest making it impossible for people to set a lineup with less than a certain number of players. What is that number? What happens, like BB-Charles suggested, if someone sells too many of their players and has a game before buying more? In your suggestion, they would forfeit because they wouldn't be able to set a lineup.

I don't think the BBs should make it easier on managers by making it impossible for them to set a lineup that would have them forfeit. If a manager doesn't bother to log in, they don't deserve to win.

What isn't realistic about them?

I don't view this as your local YMCA league where the "coach" has to make sure he has 5 guys show up to the gym by 7:00 p.m. so they don't forfeit....
If I'm charging people to watch my team play games and paying my players as their "job", shouldn't I be expected to field a legitimate team???

How do I tell my fans who paid money to see my team play that the "league" isn't set up to allow them to see an opponent every time they come to my arena? It's realistic to expect a playoff team to forfeit?? People paying big money to see a playoff game, and one of the teams doesn't show? Really?

I would imagine the number of times a professional team has had to forfeit could be counted on my digits........
that's why I think forfeits are unrealistic....

Edited 10/15/2007 12:09:24 AM by snuzers

Hi me again....talking about illegal lineups.

Well, ok, it's not specific the lineups, but a by-product of the forfeit stat lines: I didn't realize this until I was looking at one of my players and noticed his turnover avg and his fouls avg.
Here is his history:
Game MIN FG 3FG FT OR TR AST TO STL BLK PF PTS Rating Game Type
563455 40 2-5 0-0 0-0 2 12 1 46 6 0 35 4 2.5
563463 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
778365 24 2-5 0-2 2-3 3 6 3 1 1 0 2 6 4.5 Scrimmage
779104 45 5-11 0-2 1-2 0 3 7 0 2 1 2 11 4.5 Scrimmage
779393 46 10-15 2-2 3-9 0 6 6 1 1 0 2 25 6.0 Scrimmage
563502 16 5-15 0-4 0-0 0 1 0 1 1 0 2 10 6.0
792329 42 5-13 2-6 8-8 2 6 3 1 2 0 2 20 7.0 Scrimmage
798182 21 3-9 0-1 0-0 1 5 3 0 0 0 3 6 5.5 Scrimmage
56.7 7-20 0-4 0-0 2 15 1 47 7 0 37 14 3.5 TOTALS
19 0.35 0 0 0.7 5.0 0.3 15.7 2.3 0.0 12.3 4.7 3.5 SEASON AVG

the bold is the forfeit game line and his avg. turnovers and ag fouls.

Now, for me, I can see what happened. But let's say I try to sell him. Will a potential buyer look at his avg's. and say, whoa this guy turns the ball over way too much, I'm not buying him?
So, if the forfeits are still going to be allowed to occur and subsequently these stat lines will continue to be a part of the game, then could we at least pull them from the game history on each player, or not include them in the averages?