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Im waving the white flag... Anyone care to give me some advice on what level of OD is needed to succeed in D2? I'm trying to stock up on prospects I can develop for my return to D2 in a few more seasons...

I'm sure its high, although I've always sought it out on all 5 starters.... Got bounced pretty fast for this issue in my one NBBA season...

one of the things that has always annoyed me though, is that it's hard to get good outside shooting; and (imho) extra TS use seems to frequently not make a difference, despite what I would think would be the first thing to be affected by that.

Also aging... 21 yos cant hold stamina, but 35 yos have 18 D? Keep your decent jumper, but OD & JR should go first.
(sitting here as a lifelong player at 46. Defending drives & good exterior D is super hard to maintain).

but also, I have been very poorly engaged in the chats & secondary BB spots, like dischord. Is this true? Are these things debated elsehere? who knows... So, I am probably just a whiner... Still like the game's bones. mostly.

This seems “right” to me - although I’ll echo abel here about not being engaged in secondary BB analysis. The game is fun for me to discover, I don’t really want to try and reverse engineer the system itself.

I want my starters to have about a 17 on OD, but if I were promoting I’d want at least one guy at 19 or 20 to anchor my OD. Not sure if that’s a great strategy, though (I haven’t had a guy like that on my squad…yet).

This feels right, 17+. I'm at 15/16 and bottom of the division as planned, but making lots of money haha. I had a previous team that was 18-20 and they did fine in D2, relatively speaking (they would have been an awful NBBA squad though)

It also depends on what succeeds means in D2.. top half versus promoting to NBBA can be two very different things.

What you really need in most D2 leagues i've seen is the ability to bleed money while trying to promote. I'd assume the top teams here are bleeding money, especially once their cup run ends.

Yes, bleeding 80k week.

Wow, I wouldn't last too long at that rate. I was making 100+k a week with the attendance bonus. Now that has ended, I'm making around 75k a week.

📅 Game 15 (Tuesday, Sept 2, 2025)
Week 15 had everything: clutch threes and loads of late whistles. Kiwi flexed on Lituanica, Delta finally showed their payroll’s purpose, and Wobbles & Wasco kept strutting on top. Let’s run it.
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🌟 Game of the Night: Kiwi 114 – BC Lituanica 105 🐑📺
Televised drama didn’t disappoint. Tied with five minutes left, Kiwi strung together three quick buckets for a six-point cushion. Lit clawed it back to 3, drew up a beauty for Alyamkin (47% from deep)…clank. An offensive board led to Pessach (28/6/8) firing a follow-up 3 that rimmed out under Karlis “Call Me Maybe” Rae’s smothering perimeter D. Guaraes (24/8) and Hess Araya’s monster 17/16 closed it. Kiwi holds serve, Lit leaves wondering how many clean looks one team can miss.
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💊 Delta 125 – FR-S 108
FR-S hung around until the 5-minute mark, then Delta detonated: 24 points in the final five. Porter erupted off the bench, going 31/8, with seven triples, Shelley steadied (23/13), and McNally showed muscle. Zviedris did MVP things—31/20/7 on 13-19 FG—but when he sits on the trade block, you know the franchise has shifted to long-term thinking. Delta finally looks like a full cast.
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🪑 Bench Mob 98 – Llama 89
We were treated to another “late-run special” at Bench Warmer Arena. Down two with under four minutes, Bench went on an 18–7 closer, 12 of those from the stripe. Papitzakis (21/5) and Daigle chipped in, Huffman bullied inside. Sanchez (28/9) tried to carry Llama, but the whistles kept blaring down the stretch. The Mob were given an abundance of oxygen while the Llamas suffocated.
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🐅 Wasco 107 – Tasty 100
Efficiency on the road = big cat energy. Pisano (24/7) and Sorensen (22/9) combined for 46, while Davis was in Jason Kidd cosplay, going 15/7/8. Tasty battled—Bachelier poured in 29, Wui Kwong had a 13/8/8 line with three steals—but Wasco’s efficient 50% FG held off every push. Statement road win that says, “we’re still the alpha.”
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🐗 Wellington 104 – Wobbles 116
This one tilted early, with Wobbles in the lead by 23 after three. Hosemann looked like a wall (23/17/3 blk), Samara splashed 24, and Brancato casually 22/12. Bunn’s 28 and Longino’s 15/10/5 with 2 blocks gave Wellington pride points, but this was Wob’s game end to end. Balance beats bravado.
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🏰 Meridian 92 – Ferth 79
Meridian clinic. Nobody even hit 30 minutes, yet they cruised with crisp ball movement and layers of contributions. Pollock and Clemens kept the tempo, Nash sprinkled in threes and free throws. Ferth leaned on Forrai and Faltýnek but had no answers for Meridian’s non-anxious possession game. Cup form intact.
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🥤 Reductions 91 – California 65
The Suggs show can’t save everything. He got his numbers, but Reductions rolled behind Ying Ming’s 28 and Paz’s 11/21 double-double. Cali grabbed just 29 boards as a team—medium rare at best. Supreme has the star power but lacks the spine.
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🚀 Innovatus 142 – White Walkers 46
Ikoma dropped dimes (19/11 ast), Zigui ate inside, Stapleton vacuumed 18 boards, and Innovatus got their gimme.
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📊 Stars of the Night ✨
• Zviedris (FR-S): 31/20/7, carrying with no help.
• Porter (Delta): 31 off the pine, flamethrower.
• Pisano & Sorensen (Wasco): 46 combined, road killers.
• Guaraes & Hess Araya (Kiwi): Double-double monsters in the showcase.
• Hosemann (Wobbles): 23/17 with rim protection.
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🔮 What It Means
Wobbles and Wasco keep pounding at the top, Kiwi defended their TV spotlight, and Delta finally looked like their salary sheet. Cross division play has ended, and the final stretch begins now—where seeding battles, trade rumors, and late-season legs collide. The next few weeks won’t just decide playoff spots, they’ll decide the next several seasons for a few teams.

Wobbles began the season with a gruesome 0-3 start. Three of our next four games are against those teams, so here is to hoping our imaginary players have imaginary memories with imaginary motivation It will be a fun two weeks.

📅 Game 16 (Saturday, Sept 6, 2025)
Innovatus survived a classic, Delta threw a haymaker, and the standings keep Wobble-ing up top. Here it is:
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🌟Game of the Night: BC Lituanica 110 – Innovatus 122 (OT)
One of the best games all year. BC Lit read the scouting report perfectly and matched schemes possession-for-possession. Down two late, Paama attacked the cup, got the whistle, and iced both FTs to force OT. Then the switch flipped: Innovatus blitzed the extra frame and ran away, 122–110. Zigui was unstoppable (b38/10), Stapleton vacuumed the glass (22 REB), and Ikoma kept the pulse steady. Lit got a monster line from Skrzypacz (32/15/4) and iron-man minutes from Pessach (all 53), but their legs looked heavy in OT. Nothing is a given against BC Lit.
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💊Wasco 91 – Delta 116
Olmos authored a complete game (31/8/7, 3 STL) while Shelley and Porter filled in the gaps, and Delta turned a tight one into a distance race. Wasco’s frontline still punched (Pisano/Sorensen), but Delta’s pace and shot-making kept stacking mini-runs until the Tigers ran out of counters. That’s a résumé win.
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🍔FR-S 119 – Tasty 122
This felt tied for a quarter-and-a-half straight. With :08 left at 119–119, Tasty freed Lovaina for the go-ahead triple—cash. FR-S drew up Barger for the equalizer… clank. Zviedris (of course) went nuclear 35/17/5, Rocher chipped in, but Tasty’s guard room answered: Wui Kwong (28/4/9) and Büki (24/2/9) kept the blender humming. A fun, tense win that Tasty had to grind. Rumors of unease from Zviedris have been heating up…
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🦙Ferth 92 – Llama 94
Pure late-game theater. Down three, Spuldzinieks hit a cold-blooded step-back to tie with :30 left. Llama’s Jurtaugas stayed ice-calm, threading a dime to Babenko for the winning lay-in. Ferth walked off shaking their heads; Llama walked off with a grin and the ball.
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🏰Meridian 99 – Bench Mob 112
Bench Warmer Arena was buzzing all game, until Bench slammed the door mid–4th with a double-digit closer. Huffman muscled a big 22/16, Papitzakis picked his spots, and the Mob earned it at the stripe and on the glass. Meridian flashed stretches of the “clinic” look, but only Curley finished positive in +/-—a sign the rotations didn’t pop tonight.
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🥤California 105 – Wellington 112
Cali actually shot it—52% from deep—but Wellington owned the physical stuff: +25 rebounds and +12 free throws turned shot-making into win-making. Bunn/Wong did the heavy lifting; Suggs got numbers amid the rumor mill, but the Warthogs’ method was the message.
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🧮Reductions 91 – Wobbles 127
Cruise control by Wob. Trimone detonated off the bench (28 on 12–14), Hosemann cleaned, and the ball zipped. Ying Ming hung 31 to keep the score respectable, but this never felt close.
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🐏Kiwi 131 – White Walkers 39
Palma handed out 14 dimes, the defense swatted 10, and the board count hit 67. Walkers… walked (again).
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✨Stars of the Night
• Zigui (Innovatus): 38/10, go-to buckets.
• Olmos (Delta): 31/8/7, pace car in a statement W.
• Zviedris (FR-S): 35/17/5, weekly MVP-level thunder.
• Skrzypacz (BC Lit): 32/15/4, carried the load through regulation.
• Trimone (Wobbles): 28 on 12–14, microwave.
• Wui Kwong (Tasty): 28/9 AST, clutch table-setting.
• Stapleton (Innovatus): 22 REB, vacuum cleaner award.
• Palma (Kiwi): 14 AST in a track meet.
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🔮 What It Means
Innovatus proved their ceiling while BC Lit showed they can scheme with anyone—if the legs hold. Delta just authored a “we’re for real” win over Wasco; Wobbles reminded everyone the machine still hums; Tasty’s guards are peaking at a good time. Wellington’s muscle memory still wins games, and Llama just banked a morale win in the mud. The stretch run is here as rotations will tig

A lot of big lines from individual players last night!

I really thought I'd be able to pull off the upset :(... But it was fitting that guard defense doomed me as that's the focus of my next rebuild...

📅 Game 17 (Tuesday, Sep 9, 2025)
Playoff vibes crept in this week: Innovatus flexed on TV, Tasty flipped a script, and the Reductions’ close-game witchcraft survived another star turn from Zviedris. Wobbles stayed ruthless, and Llama… well, you know.
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🌟 Game of the Night: Innovatus 123 – Meridian 105 🚦🧱
Televised statement. Innovatus’ inside/discipline combo broke Meridian’s resistance: Zigui bullied the mid-post (35/9/5), Stapleton vacuumed everything (15/16), and the guards spread the damage while the 3-2 zone blunted dribble attacks. Meridian hung for three quarters, then got ground down in the fourth. This is what “playoff ready” looks like.
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📈 Tasty 98 – Bench Mob 83 🍬🧱
Tale of two halves. Down 12 at the break, Tasty detonated a +29 second half (36–16 in the 3rd; 29–20 in the 4th) behind Bachelier’s hot hand and a humming Motion offense. McFadden (20/12) battled, but Papitzakis ran cold and turnovers piled up late. Momentum win for Tasty, warning siren for the Mob’s perimeter shot diet.
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🥉 Third: Reductions 122 – FR-S 115 🧪🔥
FR-S started like a brush fire (39 in the 1st), but the Reductions’ patience + zone + whistle math prevailed. Ying Ming poured in 42 while the hosts stacked assists and earned a decisive parade to the stripe; Zviedris was monstrous (38/9/6) but couldn’t drag FR-S through a choppy fourth. BBM chatter about a Zviedris sale won’t quiet after this.
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🚀 Innovatus 123 – Meridian 105 (Televised)
Already covered up top, but one more note: Innovatus clearly punched the effort button and it showed in every rotation.
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🪄 Wobbles 131 – BC Lituanica 109
GDP nailed, shots fell, and Wobbles rolled. Anguera authored a line (35/8/6) that felt inevitable once the pace tilted; Skrzypacz’s near-triple-double (15/10/9) was crafty, just not enough stops. Big 8 leaders did Big 8 leader things.
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🌊 Delta 98 – California Supreme 84 (Televised)
Cali had it… then lost the fourth 29–12. Supreme’s perimeter D smothered wings, but Delta kept hammering inside and finally cracked the boards and whistles late. Home court and effort edge couldn’t offset the interior math down the stretch.
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🧶 Wasco 115 – Ferth 106
Classic “many hands” Wasco win: balanced scoring, smart glass work, and composure. Forrai went nuclear (41/8) to keep Ferth in it, but without a second punch the Tigers’ discipline wore them down. A standings-steadying W for Wasco.
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🐑 Kiwi 115 – Wellington 98
Run-and-gun clinic. Kiwi sprinted to a 31–19 opener and never looked back, shooting with ruthless efficiency (53% from 2, 43% from 3 per scout notes) while neutralizing Wellington’s look-inside plan. Bunn (22) and Wong (18/11) worked, but the Pimp machine kept humming.
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🏔️ Llama 156 – White Walkers 37
Joining the +100 club (again). No need to belabor it—Llama handled business, rotated generously, and got everybody a slice. Walkers walked.
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📊 Stars of the Night ✨
• C. Zigui (Innovatus): 35/9/5, tone-setter inside.
• W. Stapleton (Innovatus): 15/16, owned the glass lanes.
• N. Ying Ming (Reductions): 42 and buckets when it mattered.
• R. Zviedris (FR-S): 38/9/6 in a losing epic.
• M. Anguera (Wobbles): 35/8/6, star power in motion.
• A. Forrai (Ferth): 41/8—hero ball that almost worked.
• Bachelier (Tasty): 25 and the spark for a tidal 2nd half.
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🔮 What It Means
Innovatus just planted a playoff flag, Wobbles keep wearing the Big 8 crown comfortably, and Wasco’s “collective > star” approach keeps paying dividends. Tasty’s surge hints at a dangerous late-season version, while the Reductions remain the league’s chaos gremlins—win or win-ish in the margins. Cali’s path is still murky, and FR-S must decide whether to cash in their centerpiece or double down for the sprint. On to Game 18.