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From: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 3:45:51 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
We needed 8 managers to do this for this method to be viable.

Already Volunteered:
1. Wagner
2. MrJ
3. Gccsteel
4.T-Lit
5. Moneta
6. Deano25
7. Paul George
8. Chucarro

We have 8!

Thank you everyone for responding so quickly.

Wagner, this method could work now. My suggestion: We would need...

1. The above 8 managers to organise every one of their PU games against teams not listed above; and
2. Negotiate with those managers listed above as to who should organise that game.

Eg. I can organise PU games for all my matches. However, when challenging T-Lit, or you, or Deano25 etc etc, I would have to discuss with them and one of us needs to organise that game.

Unless my calculations are incorrect, we should cover every game in this way.

Furthermore, what we could do now is go to the post by T-Lit in the scores thread, and T-Lit could simply bold each of the 8 managers listed above. Then we could remind everyone that these managers will be organising the games and noone else needs to.

This is only a suggestion, Wagner.

Last edited by MrJ at 3/17/2025 4:19:35 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ

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Date: 3/17/2025 9:06:12 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers
Speaking of development stages of HG teams...
One of the interesting things to compare, would be the average ages of players (of a team) that are in Top 5 (or Top 8, if we want it to be in reflection with Top8 players salaries), and on the other hand average age of players ranked from 6th to 12th (or from 9th to 12th).

It might provide us interesting background information on a stage team is currently in. Again, this is an additional layer of work and I'm not going to promise I'll get it done, but I wanted to throw it out for you guys to comment on.


When I do the top 8 salaries at the start of the season, I can also do the top 8 ages. As you say, it will be interesting info. I will upload that info shortly after the Game Shape reset into this thread. Then you can copy and paste it into the official thread, Wagner.

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ

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Date: 3/17/2025 9:09:28 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
You're welcome, and you're welcome to the league as well! It's great to get a team from South America as well, and after this The Americas has even stronger representation in the HGL!

We are only missing a team from Asia (any Asian team possibly interested in joining HGL starting from Season 2?), and then we'd have teams participating from most parts of the world. Anyway, it is truly international league, so in that sense MrJs' suggestion for a league name (International Home-Grown League, IHGL) nailed the spirit of the league!


We can always do a revote or just go with my name! I'm joking of course.

So, Wagner, have you decided on the playoff format?

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: T-Lit

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 9:13:15 AM
Buckner Bandits
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The age of a teams players is alot of information to get, do you need anything from us or are you able to use a program for it?

I will be considerably younger next season, I am starting a new batch of trainees, hoping for some good ones, we will see. It will be hard to make cuts, but I will have to release 3 players next season, 1 or 2 may be a rotational player that just has not gotten his groove yet....

Fun times! :-)

From: MrJ

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Date: 3/17/2025 9:22:11 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
The age of a teams players is alot of information to get, do you need anything from us or are you able to use a program for it?

I will be considerably younger next season, I am starting a new batch of trainees, hoping for some good ones, we will see. It will be hard to make cuts, but I will have to release 3 players next season, 1 or 2 may be a rotational player that just has not gotten his groove yet....

Fun times! :-)


Does sound fun. I'm ok if you field a very young lineup in our game

Seriously though, I agree, it will be a lot of info. I can't even use Buzzer Manager as the HGL isn't a formally recognised league by the program. This means doing it manually. I will see how I go. Doing the Top 8 salaries will be easy enough and somewhat time-consuming. But it will be great data. The Top 8 ages might be a little more challenging, especially if managers are firing and changing their lineups while I'm collecting the data.

Anyway, let's see how we go. I love data so it would be some nice info to have.

As for the draft, I have 2 x 5/5 draftees lined up and I am the first human picking behind 4 BOTS. I just hope none of those BTOS claim my Number 1 and Number 2 picks. Both could be franchise players for the club.

I know by posting that info in this thread I am potentially letting the other teams in my league know that it is worth using some draft points, but I'm ok with securing one of those 2 picks. It would feel greedy getting both.

Last edited by MrJ at 3/17/2025 9:25:29 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: T-Lit

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 9:32:14 AM
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I hope you get both! :-)

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 2:31:12 PM
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We can always do a revote or just go with my name! XD I'm joking of course.

So, Wagner, have you decided on the playoff format?

There's nothing wrong with the IHGL. I could also vote for a revote as my 2 different suggestions lost in such an ugly manner (total of 1-1,25 votes, depending on if T-Lit's comment is count as a quarter of a vote!) xD

As we had to concentrate so much on other aspects during the last 30 hours or so, the decision on playoffs format is still pending. But as for my current view, if I'd have to say something now, I think it'd be like 85-95% probability that I'd go with the same playoff format regardless the 2 added teams. Like mentioned, that works really well for instance in Liiga (Finnish 'premier' ice hockey league). I know it'd be slightly unfortunate for you MrJ for the first season, but I hope you'll get a lot out of it anyway despite not winning all the games you'd prefer! :)

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/17/2025 2:49:29 PM
Wagner College
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We needed 8 managers to do this for this method to be viable.
[....]
We have 8!
[.....]
Furthermore, what we could do now is go to the post by T-Lit in the scores thread, and T-Lit could simply bold each of the 8 managers listed above. Then we could remind everyone that these managers will be organising the games and noone else needs to.

This is only a suggestion, Wagner.

I will reply to this better probably later today (or at least tomorrow), but as the conversation has been on fire recently and messages even from yesterday seem to bury under the new ones, I want to quote part of my post from yesterday, as only T-Lit has commented on it so far. You'll find it below, starting "An important note [...]".

But first, still as a reminder: please do not yet start arranging Pickup matches for the Season 1.

That part of the post sent yesterday by me was about changing the rules in terms of fixed times for matches.

Below is the part of the message with which I was addressing this issue, and also mentioned about in this message on HGL Scores-thread: (326590.13)

So please, all participating managers, let me know if fixed time for matches is ok for you, because I think (while not convenient for any one manager), would tackle many possible issues and therefore would be very welcome addition. Of course such decision can be made without a wide acceptance, but of course acceptance would be preferable.


Here's my post from yesterday:

An important note and question is made throughout the rest of the post, @everyone:

At the moment, all times between 00.01-23.59 are possible times for organizing matches, due to being able to organize some matches in relatively convenient times (if one would want to follow match life etc.). However, the person who sends the challenge has the control on when match takes place unless a specified time when match starts is being given by HGL.

Now on the other hand this is a bit problematic, as if one team would send all his challenges, he would have control over match times unless we can agree an exact time (for instance 4.30PM EET, Eastern European Time, etc.) when match takes place. 4.30 PM EET would be approximately 5.30-9.30AM in USA, 10.30AM in Uruguay, and 10.30PM-12.30AM in Australia.

In one sense, having a fixed time for each match would solve the issue somewhat equally. The problem is though, that we are positioned all over the world from Americas to Europe to Australia, so fixed time would be somewhat compromise to all.

On a positive note though, fixed time match would make it easier in two reasons: time is already known beforehand, so nobody would complain that 'the teams that send me challenges constantly choose awkward times'.

Also, having a fixed time for match would also create a routine/standard for the league, and very/most importantly, would make it impossible to make a rematch if some managers would be into it, for, let me just say, for "various reasons".



From: Chucarro

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Date: 3/17/2025 4:02:33 PM
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So please, all participating managers, let me know if fixed time for matches is ok for you



fine by me

From: demars
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Date: 3/17/2025 4:30:08 PM
Elan Demars
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I have a question, maybe stupid, but...

I don't understand the "problem" while the time of the games.

Imagine...

i want to create a game against ANY team, from ANYwhere.
I can create it today for April the 5th at 21h00 MYTIME

Since my opponent has one month to put his lineup, where is the problem ?
With the exception of somebody wanting to watch it live, I don't see other problem.

Please answer for what I don't understand.

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