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Firstly...Wagner & Demars...regarding your posts in the official thread about dates, unfortunately, with this new schedule, that will need to be updated.

2 New Teams:
Big Chillers. Manager: Big Chill. (BIG)
Trouville BBC. Manager: Chucarro. (TRO)

Below I have used the dates you included Wagner as a starting point:
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Thank you very much for creating the new schedule, MrJ!
I will update the 'official posts' of teams included and the schedule of the league, and will copy your match list to the schedule page.

I'll look at how this affects to the playoff schedule, but as a first thought adding two teams and not just one just postpones start of playoffs by one week, and we don't likely have to do other changes (what I meant is that by adding just one round of play would've left too little time after last regular season match on Friday to organize the first round of playoffs for the following Sunday).

@all managers: I believe that this app used for random creation yields a proper schedule (or otherwise it probably wouldn't even exist anymore). However, as it's sometimes better to be safe than sorry, and as correct schedule is absolutely critical for the functioning of the league, would you all participating managers please check, and confirm here on this thread for instance, that you have:
A) 15 regular season matches in total
B) make note (write to a piece of paper etc. to make sure) of your opponents, so do you face 15 different opponents during regular season, or are you facing some opponent two times (and/or some of the 15 opponents are missing) during your regular season?

NOTE: Please note that this draw/schedule was created using an app and is 100% random.

That's easy to believe, because I've run out of luck again, that's so typical. ;)

@Wagner

I can already see you hard at work editing the official thread, Wagner. Awesome.

You have noted in the thread that you will update the Top 8 Salaries of teams competing at some point. I have been thinking that perhaps I can help you with this?

I would wait until the start of Season 68 after all players have been reset (Games Shape/Salaries etc). I could then do the calculations and provide you with those amounts. I would then ask all managers that if anything changes through the season (They sell or fire one of their top 8 players OR reacquire a former player) they let me know so I can forward the correct and updated salaries to you. Let me know if this is something you would like me to do?

MrJ

If you'd be willing to do that to help, I would of course welcome that gladly. And also you nailed it, as to avoid extra work it is most optimal to do it after salary update. This years wages are of course interesting very interesting as well, especially in order to be able to compare how they've then changed for the next season, but it's just an extra layer of work that I don't think I can use my time into right now, as there are more urgent aspects to finalize which affects the league functionality etc.

Also you seemed to have read my mind, as in additional HGL rules (to be announced in one of the first posts of official thread when all/most is finished) I would've written a text asking managers to inform us for changes in their rosters, and especially if they have purchased players in their roster.

So if you feel like you have time and energy for this, completing all these kind of things helps everything getting finalized sooner and with better quality supposedly, as one has a bit more time to concentrate on a task at hand knowing they don't have a mountain of them to accomplish in a given time window.
(I will probably, however, also add some kind of request for managers to inform HGL about their purchases of own players; the ones they've completed before, and the ones they may end up doing during the current season).

@Wagner

I can already see you hard at work editing the official thread, Wagner. Awesome.

You have noted in the thread that you will update the Top 8 Salaries of teams competing at some point. I have been thinking that perhaps I can help you with this?

I would wait until the start of Season 68 after all players have been reset (Games Shape/Salaries etc). I could then do the calculations and provide you with those amounts. I would then ask all managers that if anything changes through the season (They sell or fire one of their top 8 players OR reacquire a former player) they let me know so I can forward the correct and updated salaries to you. Let me know if this is something you would like me to do?

MrJ

If you'd be willing to do that to help, I would of course welcome that gladly. And also you nailed it, as to avoid extra work it is most optimal to do it after salary update. This years wages are of course interesting very interesting as well, especially in order to be able to compare how they've then changed for the next season, but it's just an extra layer of work that I don't think I can use my time into right now, as there are more urgent aspects to finalize which affects the league functionality etc.

Also you seemed to have read my mind, as in additional HGL rules (to be announced in one of the first posts of official thread when all/most is finished) I would've written a text asking managers to inform us for changes in their rosters, and especially if they have purchased players in their roster.

So if you feel like you have time and energy for this, completing all these kind of things helps everything getting finalized sooner and with better quality supposedly, as one has a bit more time to concentrate on a task at hand knowing they don't have a mountain of them to accomplish in a given time window.
(I will probably, however, also add some kind of request for managers to inform HGL about their purchases of own players; the ones they've completed before, and the ones they may end up doing during the current season).

Consider it my responsibility. :-)

I have deleted my schedule post in the Season 1 thread, I will repost the new schedule along with each teams link (for easy access to their team page) on that thread when I get to a desktop (at church now) will be this afternoon (5 or 6 hours)

Great job everyone!!!

Last edited by T-Lit at 3/16/2025 8:22:39 AM

I have deleted my schedule post in the Season 1 thread, I will repost the new schedule along with each teams link (for easy access to their team page) on that thread when I get to a desktop (at church now) will be this afternoon (5 or 6 hours)

Great job everyone!!!

Nice. Thanks, T-Lit.

Wagner, I have read through everything you have posted and, unless I just missed it, have you stated how a team knows whether they are the one to organise the PU game or not?

I apologise in advance if I just can't find it but you have noted it.

Luckily, points difference matters very little (if at all, other than for possibly statistical interest/purpose?) in this league, as in situations where teams have equal number of wins, the team that has won their regular season meeting is ranked higher for playoffs (and not the team that has a better scoring difference).

Yes, I had forgotten.

@ Wagner...

Obviously the new draw means you will have to alter some info on the official thread. Eg. before you had 5th to 12th spot in finals...now might have to be 5th to 14th spot? I will let you make that call.

Sorry for the extra work but it is nice that we can include 2 more HG teams in our first Season.

Yes, some extra work, but 16 in a way feels more complete than 14 (and in terms of other possibly affected areas, possibly last or two last regular season matches might have to be organized in a separate time window about a week after HGL regular season has started, but I still didn't check the schedule if that's necessary with 15 matches/team, or if it'll leave us long enough time window before the season to finalize organizing all matches before season starts).

Yes, I will alter information on official threads. And all managers, please send me BBMail if you notice something clearly wrong information after a recent edit of post, so I can then correct it ASAP.

As far as altering amount of teams reaching playoffs, it's a sword with two blades. I see benefits in both options (12 or 14 best to playoffs).

Couple of observations of our league system:

A) When I was doing preliminary comparing of different league systems, this system (12 best to playoffs) should work well with 16 teams as well (apart from 1-2 clearly weakest teams?)

B) This league system of ours has gotten it's inspiration from Finnish ice hockey league, 'Liiga'. I'm not sure if links are preferred on this thread, but I will send one now to show you guys how exciting things can get with such league system. For instance: HIFK earned a 4th place by scoring 2-1 winning goal without a goalie about 30 seconds before the end of last game of regular season. And Pelicans, who now does have to fight against relegation, had still a chance to reach playoffs during the last round of regular season.
https://www.liiga.fi/en/stats/teamstats/season?tilasto=sar...

C) With the earlier lineup about 85% of teams (12/14) reach playoffs, with 12 out of 16 it would be 75%.
With 14 out of 16 teams it would be 87,5% of teams reaching playoffs, which is not dramatically different from 85%. However, a two-fold challenge exists: first round of playoffs need to include even number of teams, so practically 4, 8 or 16. In practice, it would then be 8, as it couldn't be 16 and 4 would only add 2 teams to round 2 of playoffs so then massive amount of teams would need to be granted a straight spot to 2nd round of playoffs, which would effectively wreck the idea of this system.
So 8 teams (I guess) it would need to be who are trying to qualify for the second round of playoffs.
If we would then add the amount of participating teams from 12 to 14 (and remember, 8 would be have to fight their way into the second round of playoffs), it would result that we would have to increase the amount of teams guaranteed a spot on the second round of playoffs (based on regular season success) to a 6 from 4 teams.
(Increasing it to 5 as a middle ground option wouldn't be a possibility as then we wouldn't have an equal number of teams on the second round of playoff). But now if we would include 6 teams, then we would have 6 teams on second round based or regular season success, and 4 based on winning on first round of playoffs, and eventually 10 teams would be reduced to 5 which doesn't work.

One problem with 6 automatically included also is that best teams would've guaranteed their spot on the second round of playoffs very early on..

Consider it my responsibility. :-)

Thanks MrJ, your help is appreciated! :)

I see the dilemma. Regardless of what we choose it won't work perfectly. Therefore, go with the setup you think is best, Wagner. If we have to adjust it at the Playoffs then we can. If nothing else, we will learn from what transpires and be even better organised for Season 2.

Wagner, I have read through everything you have posted and, unless I just missed it, have you stated how a team knows whether they are the one to organise the PU game or not?

I apologise in advance if I just can't find it but you have noted it.

You are indeed correct, it still doesn't mention anything about it - it just states one team is responsible for sending a challenge, and therefore can decide at what time of the day regular season match is played (we can consider later if we should stick with times determined by HGL when it comes to playoff matches).

I forgot to ask from you this earlier (before creating the schedule), that is it possible somehow to take these kind of things into account when auto-creating schedule, so that it would automatically for instance bold the names of teams responsible for challenges?

So there are two ways handling this, please correct me if my thinking is wrong:
1. If we have 8 voluntary teams who voluntarily are willing to spend 15 tokens for regular season, I guess we could then bold (or mark otherwise) their team names on the schedule (and possibly to a participating teams list as well), and those 8 teams would send challenge to all their regular season games (however, do I have an error in thinking here, would it totally work if done this way or would some matches be left unplayed?). I have lots of tokens, so I could afford to be one of the required challengers, this first and likely for forthcoming seasons as well.

If there is no error in my thinking (again, please correct me if it does!) I think doing it this way would then streamline things a bit, as in terms of regular season play half of teams (this system would probably only work with an even number of participating teams though, which we do have this season!) would be marked to the participating teams list and/or schedule page as teams that are responsible for sending challenges to all regular season games, and then those 8 remaining teams would only need to accept challenges to these Pickup matches.

2. We mark (bold, or other marking) the names of teams to the schedule for each week separately who are responsible for sending challenges for that round, so then people know whose responsibility it is to challenge for which rounds.

In a way option 1 would seem easier, unless like I said I have some error in my thinking which would cause schedule not to work if done that way, and unless we have problem finding 7 more voluntary managers (to use 15 tokens for regular season challenges).


By the way, I'm glad to see you all have already done it 'correctly' in your messages, but it's important that we stick with the practice of not using @ in our regular season matchups, as that's reserved for playoffs schedule only (as @ to many refers to home/away court), so -, v. or Vs. all work, likely first option being visually easier for the Commissioner at least.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/16/2025 11:18:43 AM

I think your thinking is correct regarding 8 volunteers...this should cover all games. I have about 20 tokens at the moment so I am happy to be another volunteer other than yourself. However...

Maybe the better approach is to have 1 team in every matchup (bolded name or something to identify that it is their responsibility to organise the PU) and then, any mangers (like you or myself) who wish to make it known that they are happy to organise every one of their games and use their tokens, then we could just alter the schedule and bold that team's name for every match?

We have options. I guess it boils down to:

1. How quickly can we organise 8 managers willing to volunteer their tokens and organise all of their matches?
2. Failing that, we would simply have to make it equitable and have every team bolded equally and equally responsible for setting games when it is their turn.