I'd say Jordan won with a team that was pretty weak on overall talent. Specialty players like B. J. Armstrong, Steve Kerr, John Paxson helped him a ton, no doubt. These were guys that could hit an open 3, and when Jordan drove... defenders were going to collapse and leave a shooter open.
Bill Winnington, Luc Longley and the numerous Centers they went through were, while good at banging bodies and playing tough, considered the weakest C's in the Play Offs. Guys like Ewing, Robinson and Hakeem the Dream were dominant centers, and guys like Bill Lambier played the same style the Bulls C's would play... except he played it much better.
The first 3 Championships the Bulls didn't have a Top Ten PG, PF or C. I'll grant SF, even though I feel Scottie Pippen was hugely over-rated. So basically you had a SG in Jordan, and a SF in Pippen. Not very talented as a Team, but with the most driven and dominant closer (and later to become most driven and dominant player) they were able to Win... a lot.
True, when they added Dennis Rodman to the mix for the next set of Trophies they became one of the most stacked teams in the NBA. True Star Power at it's finest. And it worked because Rodman didn't need to be passed the ball. If he wanted to score, he grabbed an Offensive Rebound. He was more focused on Defense, Rebounding, and shutting down the tough Big Man Match Up than anything. Rodman never looked for his own shot or to create unless needed (clock ticking down, etc). Replace Rodman with a PG that likes to shoot a lot and while you still may have a Championship Team it wouldn't have been as good as what they made it.
The 2nd 3-Peat your argument is very valid... the Bulls had the best Team hands down, as far as talent across the board. The first set of Championships... that was solid Role Players riding the ability of MJ to take over a game. Very similar to Cleveland with Lebron... except Jordan got Rings (which is why the comparisons of Lebron to Jordan coming in were so unfair, not everyone can take the limited Talent like the Bulls had and get that ring, nor should it be expected).
Fact is, Kobe was in a Decline last season. It happens. Might come out this season and destroy, moving back to 1-2-3. LAST SEASON, however, Dirk was better all around than Kobe. I've shown the numbers to prove it, the Head to Head that proves it, and add on the Ring to cement the argument.
All you've added is "stop arguing it's pointless you can't prove 2 me or n e one kobe isn't better than dirk!!!" which I find funny because after you tell me to stop arguing you tell me to "keep tryn".
Look, over their Careers Kobe still has the lead on Dirk. I admit that openly. Dirk is closing the gap, but it's not THAT close. If Kobe is down another 2-3 Seasons and Dirk stays at this level or improves, he COULD catch Kobe in the Long Run. Doubtful, but possible. Absolutely, over their Careers, Kobe is better.
We weren't talking Careers. We were discussing who right now (at the time this thread started) was better. While it is arguable that some were better than Dirk last season (some very good and well thought out arguments have been presented) Kobe wasn't one of them.
Last Season, Dirk was better than Kobe.
It happens. There were seasons where, as great as Jordan was, he wasn't the BEST player that year. Injury, off year, etc. He was always great, but not the greatest every year. And that would be practically impossible to pull off, so why expect that?
As great as Dirk is, he wasn't the biggest reason his team won. They've had Dirk. I think Tyson Chandler was the #1 Reason they became so tough... how Dirk and Dallas does with him heading to the Knicks will show a lot about how great Dirk can be. Don't get me wrong, Kidd and Terry were great in the Play Offs, but Chandler drove that Defense. His 1 and 2 are getting older... if Dirk can over come this then he'll close in on true grea
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