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152411.336 in reply to 152411.335
Date: 11/15/2011 12:55:42 AM
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Kobe and Dirk, Play Offs 2010-2011 Season.

Kobe Dirk
PPG 22.8 27.7
RPG 3.4 8.1
APG 3.3 2.5
SPG 1.6 0.6
BPG 0.3 0.6
FG% 44.6 48.5
3PT 29.3 46.0
FT% 82.0 94.1

So let's see. Kobe got 0.8 more APG. Kobe got 1.0 more SPG.

Dirk got 4.9 more PPG. 4.7 more RPG. 0.3 more BPG. Shot 3.9% better from the field, 16.7% better from 3PT, and 12.1% better from the FT Line.

And Dirk moved on to play tougher teams. Oh yeah... and that Conference Semi Finals... he beat Kobe and the Lakers.

So what's the argument for Kobe over Dirk this last season?

From: Vixen

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152411.337 in reply to 152411.331
Date: 11/15/2011 9:21:22 AM
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Though people constantly mention Kobe's five rings against the other stars in the league. He really was only the key player for the last 2 laker championships. Shaq was by far the star for the first three. Just look at his playoff stats from 2000-2002. He picked up his game like crazy in the finals. Against the pacers he averaged 38 points and 16.7 rebounds! Imagaine his scoring if he could hit his freethrows. Though Kobe the closing shots in game 4 of the 2000 finals, he only had to because shaq fouled out. If he was still in the game all of those shots would have been dunks. In fact Kobe only shot 36% and averaged 15 points for that series. In 2001 Shaq went up against Dikembe Mutumbo... one of the best post defenders ever. He won DPOY four times when he had to compete with Alonzo Mourning (before his surgery he was on track for the hall of fame), Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan and an aged but still tough David Robinson in addition to the much bigger front courts of the time. Shaq still averaged 33 points and 15.8 rebs and 3.4 blocks. Kobe scored 24.6 ppg on 41.5 fg%. Oh... and Shaq almost had a quadruple double in game 2. When Shaq came back in 2002 he once again averaged 36.3 points and 12.3 rebounds. In all three finals Shaq was unstoppable and even dominated great defenders.

While Kobe did go up against a strong pacers defense in 2000, he didn't have to play against an outside defender near the level of Dikembe's post defense. Putting someone like Gary Payton (in his prime) in Kobe would have shown just how much more dominant Shaq was. So Kobe really is a 2 time Champ, the other three are Shaq's. Even with hack a shaq to bail the defenders out and shaq's freethrow shooting he still dominated great post defenders. I am often mystified at how some ballhog Gs get so overrated by the media. Iverson is beyond overrated, in the 2001 finals he was primarily defended by Tyronn Lue... an unknown journeyman and Shaq was up against Dikemembe. Despite AI's game one scoring, shaq still put up better stats through the series against an incredible defender. Somehow Gs like Iverson and Kobe get all the hype. Putting Kobe in the top ten all time is even difficult with players like Duncan, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Moses Malone, Hakeem, Wilt and MJ23... the list could go on. If you do any all time list Kobe would have to be below Shaq and Duncan who have made their mark during his prime years, which would probably knock him out of the top 10 as it would be hard to even place Duncan or Shaq in the top 5

Last edited by Vixen at 11/15/2011 9:26:06 AM

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152411.338 in reply to 152411.331
Date: 11/15/2011 7:17:05 PM
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u noe im not even gonna argue dirk n e more. but u must have some gang green or autism if u even think, or mention that wade, dirk, and rose wil ever reach the level kobe has shown us through his carrer. He has impacted the game and defense as long as the game will continue. even at his age he still puts up 25+ pts a game on average. rose isn't. i promise you that kobe bryant means more to his team and has a larger role than n e one else in nba history except for MJ23. He is the best player now, 2nd best all time and it won't change until he retires. If u can plz tell me y n e of dose ppl u named are better than kobe plz push urself 2 write it. Nobody is touching kb24 rite now, and earlier not after the lockout not ever. so chew on dat youngin. obviouslly u know nothing about basketball.

It would be a hell of a lot easier for me to take your opinions seriously if you could type in English.

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From: BigB

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Date: 11/15/2011 7:30:27 PM
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u noe im not even gonna argue dirk n e more. but u must have some gang green or autism if u even think, or mention that wade, dirk, and rose wil ever reach the level kobe has shown us through his carrer. He has impacted the game and defense as long as the game will continue. even at his age he still puts up 25+ pts a game on average. rose isn't. i promise you that kobe bryant means more to his team and has a larger role than n e one else in nba history except for MJ23. He is the best player now, 2nd best all time and it won't change until he retires. If u can plz tell me y n e of dose ppl u named are better than kobe plz push urself 2 write it. Nobody is touching kb24 rite now, and earlier not after the lockout not ever. so chew on dat youngin. obviouslly u know nothing about basketball.

Obviously YOU know nothing about basketball. If we are talking about Statistics. Kevind Durant is the best right now he's averaged 27+ and 30+ in two seasons.

From: #24CMAN

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Date: 11/15/2011 8:00:29 PM
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2 things 2 say about kobe.

1. 2 all da kobe haterz out dere lemme tell u now 2 git of his case with dis shaq bull. when u have one the most dominant players in nba history on ur team, y should u b expected 2 average monster #'s if someone else is doing that. when shaq left kobe steps up 2 25+ pts a game one time averging evn 35.4 pts which is 3rd highedt average ever by a player.

2. i'll give u da top 10 of all time so u wont be lost
1.mj
2.kobe bryant
3.magic johnson
4.larry bird
5. shaq
6. oscar robertson
7. wilt
8. bill russel
10. kareem
and no not in order thnk u

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152411.341 in reply to 152411.340
Date: 11/15/2011 10:08:10 PM
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David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajowun.

Like I said (and you side stepped nicely, by the way) Kobe vs. Dirk 2011, where was Kobe a better player? Dirk had better stats almost across the board, Dirk swept Kobe, Dirk won the Championship against a loaded Heat. In no single way whatsoever was Kobe better than Dirk 2011.

You asked me how Dirk was better in 2011, I showed you. You haven't really shown any basketball intelligence, other than not having Scottie Pippen in your Top 10 All Time (for which I would have burnt you harshly).

And to claim that I don't know basketball because I'm in a V League in my first full season (took over the last place team with 1 game before Relegation last season) is true ignorance. You must be very blissful.

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Date: 11/15/2011 10:30:06 PM
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This thread will never die with that level of intelligence....it's a pissing contest now. Who can win the title of the village idiot????

From: DWeezy

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152411.343 in reply to 152411.340
Date: 11/15/2011 10:34:42 PM
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Nonsense. LIKE I SAID BEFORE JUST SCORING THE ROCK DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD PLAYER. The only thing that really impressed me about kobe is his ability to take every shot. I thought it was somewhat manditory to pass the ball in the NBA especially if your a guard. Kobe proved me wrong. Its pretty easy to put up 35.4 ppg when your taking about 75% of your teams shots. I look foward to deciphering your next message.

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Date: 11/16/2011 1:05:49 AM
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My vote is for #24CMan. If we are putting Village Idiot to a vote, that is.

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Date: 11/16/2011 6:49:47 AM
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This thread will never die with that level of intelligence....it's a pissing contest now. Who can win the title of the village idiot????

We can kill it with a race to 1000 posts. You go first.

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Date: 11/16/2011 7:40:11 AM
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