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I think running a Utopia country and placing all second teams there would be the only option.

Absolutely!

It would give the feel of a B3 where good managers from around the world compete against each other.

I really like this. It would also create a new economic state. Perhaps it could be added that there are no Free Agents, too?

No matter how it happens though, I am willing to pay for a second team.

Nope. I would seriously consider quitting if there were loads of other country's managers coming to play in Oz, not for lack of competition, but because cheating would just become waaaay too easy.

I will definitely continue paying supporter (and encourage others) to have a second team in a highly competitive league!

You are lithuanian. I can say there is already many lituanian playing in England or other UK league. It's hard to say at which point they are culturally integrated to those countries, but some for sure, not that much.

Then let's scrap countries altogether?

There are some ideas being floated around in here that will get lost, so if you have a different suggestion, post it in the Suggestions forum. This includes Utopias, colleges, women's leagues, etc. None of those will be happening if this change is implemented, so there's no need to mention your support of them in this thread. They are irrelevant distractions.

I keep hearing all these fears of rampant unchecked cheating. I honestly think this change would reduce cheating because BB would have mechanisms to prevent using the two teams in any combination effort.

But I am actually curious what exact cheating people think is going on now and how this proposal will add/subtract from it. Because other than occasionally seeing a team overpay for another team's players (which I have reported and seen both teams frozen shortly thereafter), I can't really envision what these fears are all about.

Stop with the college youth team idea. You have mentioned it numerous times. That would be a pretty massive undertaking and it does nothing to help micro nations. Throw it in the suggestions forum but it has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

Ok I'm sorry- I was sharing my opinion on what I thought would work best for a 2nd team- but I guess ill keep my mouth shut.

Nice apology. Thanks for trying to input (and I don't mean that in a sarcastic way towards you).

I think the biggest obstacle I'm seeing against the "second team in a new country" idea is cheating, so let's bring up as many different ways that people could cheat as possible and let BB staff disprove that it's going to affect the already great game that BB is.

1. Ruining the drafting process by deliberately coming last, taking the good players and hindering their growth.

2. Switching players between several managers between teams.

3. Easier to make/manage farm teams (my country does it for your country and yours does it for mine).

(edit: there are likely more but this is all I could think of in a short time)

Last edited by Axis123 at 1/14/2014 12:25:21 AM

I think the biggest obstacle I'm seeing against the "second team in a new country" idea is cheating, so let's bring up as many different ways that people could cheat as possible and let BB staff disprove that it's going to affect the already great game that BB is.

1. Ruining the drafting process by deliberately coming last, taking the good players and hindering their growth.

2. Switching players between several managers between teams.

3. Easier to make/manage farm teams (my country does it for your country and yours does it for mine).

(edit: there are likely more but this is all I could think of in a short time)

I have no expertise in these, but here are some thoughts I have in response to each:

1. Let's remember that second teams will almost all be in countries with limited activity, so these are not dominant nations on the world stage with almost complete certainty. Italy will not be planting owners in USA to do nothing but waste HOF talent by hoarding them, because there won't be any owners getting their second teams in USA. I think this is a red herring.

Further, if you pay for a second team in a small nation, you've got a decent chance to be pretty good. You'll still be competing against some bots, most likely, but overall making the competition better somewhere. I cannot fathom why anyone would spend this money just to be a foreigner who deliberately takes a team just to make it suck.

Also, tanking is not cheating, as I understand it. I've seen teams deliberately finish last almost every season. They relegate, then they rebuild and return. It's part of the game.

2. This is already something hard to police, since by definition it involves a lot of owners. But other than trying to ruin game shape for NT-level players of other countries, it's not really anything but childish behavior. If an NT player's being sold repeatedly, those nation's managers will notice and report problems. If people are doing this with other guys, then who exactly are they hurting? I could care less if people want to keep transferring players and wasting their money, as long as they aren't deliberately overpaying.

3. I think this is also a red herring for the same reasons as No. 1. These secondary teams will not be in big nations. And anyone who wants to take a team that's currently a bot and develop the talent there for whatever reason should be welcomed, I'd imagine. Those native players can only be useful to the NT/U21 managers of that country, right? What other concern is there here?