BuzzerBeater Forums

The White Mamba has more rings than LBJ.

Never said Rose was any of those guys. Or even close. I said he was the MVP and burning kids all year long...until LeBron locked him down. And no Terry isn't Bird, but he's in the league because of his shooting. He's not Shaq out there jacking up 3's. Actually his career 3 pt. % is better than MJ's who from what I remember wasn't too bad of shooter. And before you jump on my nuts about that I'm not saying Jason Terry is MJ, just stating facts.

Ok by me, he played great D vs. Rose.

Sidenote: Terry's 3pt % is also very similar to Birds(actually slightly better), but % isn't everything.

Here's a list of awards/stats for each of the 6. And I at least am not arguing skill level, Lebron is on of the most talented individuals by far, but greatness instead.
(Defensive teams not selected until 1968-so no Baylor)(Stats are NBA/ABA to include Dr.J)
Lebron:
2xMVP
7xAllstar
2x2nd team all NBA
5x1st team all NBA
3x1st team all defense
#73 in points
#74 in assists

Baylor:
11xAllstar
10x1st team all NBA
#26 Rebounds
#27 Points

Erving:
5xABA allstar
11xNBA allstar
3xABA MVP
1xNBA MVP
1x2nd team all ABA
4x1st team all ABA
1x1st team all defense(ABA)
2x2nd team all NBA
5x1st team all NBA
2xABA champion
1xNBA champion
#32 Rebounds
#49 Assists
#7 Steals
#21 Blocks
#5 Points

Hondo:
13xNBA allstar
6x2nd team all NBA
4x1st team all NBA
3x2nd team all defense NBA
5x1st team all defense NBA
8xNBA champion
1xFinals MVP
#71 Rebounds
#28 Assists
#15 Points

Pippen:
7xAllstar
2x3rd team all NBA
2x2nd team all NBA
3x1st team all NBA
2x2nd team all defense NBA
8x1st team all defense NBA
6xNBA champion
#82 Rebounds
#26 Assists
#6 Steals
#88 Blocks
#52 Points

Bird:
12xNBA allstar
3xNBA MVP
1x2nd team all NBA
9x1st team all NBA
3x2nd team all defense NBA
3xNBA champion
2xFinals MVP
#51 Rebounds
#34 Assists
#30 Steals
#32 Points

Jordon did have that attitude yes however Lebron has more of an AI attitude where yeah hes gonna get his own numbers but his team will never achieve anything more than a finals appearance

I care. And yeah I fully expect him to pass many of those players, even without a championship(which he'll probably get a few of).

Really? MJ was way more worried about getting his. Idk how you could possibly say that a guy who averages 9 ast a game last year was worried about getting his. I mean D wade got his numbers. Bosh had pretty good numbers as the 3rd scorer. Lebron is worried about nothing else other then winning championships. That's why he went to Miami. If he was really only worried about getting his then he would have stayed in Cleveland. Maby it seemed like he was just out there to get his when he was in Cleveland but who else did they have to do it? He was the only one. And even when he was in Cleveland he still averaged 8 ast a game and made that team look sick. A guy that averages 8 boards 8 ast and 2 steals is a team player in anyone's book.

The problem is that Lebron is TOO WORRIED when he has a chance to win a championship and he starts to suck in crunch time. Jordan never did that, you know why? Because Jordan has the competitive fire that Lebron will never have. Kobe doesn't have it at that level either or he wouldn't have quit this year or acted the way he did at certain times throughout his career. I can't stand MJ, but i'm not so obtuse that I can't see that he had something Lebron will never have because of his genetic makeup along with his upbringing. It's not about either one "getting his" because I don't think neither played for that reason. Lebron went to Miami to share the spot light because he couldn't handle it on his own. He wanted to play with friends and feel the way he did in high school. That was his family, where he looked for approval. He needed a stinking father figure and what he ended up with was Maverick Carter and a bunch of high school buddies. Lebron is a great talent and even a great player. He just isn't at the level of these other SF yet and may not get there who knows. Has there been a talent like him to ever play the position? Heck no....but I would also argue he is in his own position and that's point forward....which was created by Grant Hill...

@Eminence...By the way...how do you leave Paul Pierce out of the SF conversation. Is he not the third all time leading scorer in celtics history? Maybe I misremember that but he holds some serious Celtics records and does have a ring.

Actually here is his ranks amongst the Celtics: (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/leaders_car...)

Pretty dang good. Also The "Human Highlight Reel" was pretty great...Dominque was fun to watch.

Dominque was the the first guy off my list, and Pierce is pretty darn good too, I was just holding it to ones I still rated higher than Lebron on a "greatness" scale.

'Nique is greater because he had the testicular fortitude to beat Jordan in a dunk contest. Period. Pierce is greater because he invented the go off in a wheel chair but come back in and hit a big shot play. lol Although I would say that a guy that ranks that highly amongst all the greats that the Celtics have produced has to be considered greater at this point.

Ok throwing up a list of accomplishments for each player doesn't say jack other than the other guys played longer than LeBron. He's on pace to absolutely destroy all of them in individual awards. And you're right percentage isn't everything. But when they take the number of shots that Terry does it's a good indication of the level of shooter he is.