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If 3) is the case, the engine will switch to another scoring option. So it can happen, that your +1 defender plays against a guy who takes only five or six shots during the whole game. The reason for this is his high defense.


I would like it recorded in the BB annuals - that i stated and explained this point already, but that it took me approximately 3526 characters more, than what Nachtmahr took to explain it.

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Before the game, the engine takes both teams. It calculates, based on the skills, who is the best offense player and who is the best defense player. Nothing more and nothing less. The defense player isn't the guy with the highest OD or ID, it's the player with the highest overall defense. And that's the one who has the best OD+ID+SB+ST rating. For a lot of teams it's the SF or PF.



So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside? the +1 will guard only the outside/inside shots depending on the box choice? if the offensive player is a SG and your +1 is also a SG with 20 OD (a match in favor of the defense), what will be the difference between the box defenses? What's the impact of the offensive tactics regarding the box defenses?

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Date: 3/31/2015 3:36:15 PM
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yeah, thx, totally clear now.

just one last thing. i remember having read in this thread that stamina counts to the formula of the best defender. do you confirm that? if yes, to which extent does stamina count in comparison to the other defensive skills? 1-to-1?

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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

I never said that with inside box +1 the best inside player will be guarded, did I?
I just said that in one defense your best defender will guard the best guard and in the other one the best big.


that´s the point, is not the best big, if u check that teamalready has a big big C, but the inside box chose to guard the sg instead, that´s my point



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I don't think that's the case, if I'm understanding this correctly, the best big was defended by the 1 and the defender was adequate enough so the offense was moved away from the big to SG, which resulted in the SG's higher attempts, unless I'm misunderstanding this all.

Last edited by Knowledge at 4/2/2015 8:32:06 PM

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the thing is, all the shots by the SG were guarded by my PF, 22 shots all checked

the rest of the team change, looks like in zone cause never guard the same man, so my guess is that the man to man chosen was SG versus PF



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this actually goes back to some of my previous posts

the assumption is made that - because player X took the most shots, he is the best offensive player that the And1 defender should be defending...... This is a wrong assumption....

Iin actual fact this is not always true and from what i can see with Box defenses, a very incorrect assumption.
Logic would suggest that - if your best defender totally smothers your opponents best offensive player, he should in theory take zero shots.
when the best offensive player is guarded too well, so the offensive team looks to another player to take shots. Which is why you will often see strange results in terms of box scores.

ill just state it again so its easy to identify for future readers.
With a box defense.... in the final box score - the player who took the most shots in the game- is NOT necessarily the best offensive player whom the 'And1' was defending

Last edited by Coach Regan at 4/3/2015 8:51:13 AM

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