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I didn't want to offend anyone or demean the mission.

Just do it, it could be good.

A few simple rules and that's it, there won't be a perfect schedule that everyone agrees with:
- all games on neutral ground
- all games at a specific time
- all results of the season are neutralized (not counted) if a team deviates from homegrown criterias

What else you should think about:
- who is responsible for the invitation anyway?
- What happens if the game/invitation doesn't take place on time and a team doesn't have enough time to line up?

Have fun and good luck …

You are right, Erik.

However, as Wagner noted, he has some strong views/opinions on what the league should look like.

Personally, I think we have enough details to get it up and going.



Last edited by MrJ at 2/20/2025 5:46:15 AM

Personally, the fairest system is always to do it as randomly as possible - a draw is always more fair than a fixture.

Personally, the fairest system is always to do it as randomly as possible - a draw is always more fair than a fixture.

That's my view too

I agree with the idea of one table of all 14 teams and one division.
What would finals look like? A bracket of the top 4 where one plays 4 and 2
Plays 3? Or expand it further?

I agree with the idea of one table of all 14 teams and one division.
What would finals look like? A bracket of the top 4 where one plays 4 and 2
Plays 3? Or expand it further?

I agree with the idea of one table of all 14 teams and one division.
What would finals look like? A bracket of the top 4 where one plays 4 and 2
Plays 3? Or expand it further?

Wagner has been working on this. Perhaps he'll share here for all to see what he has arrived at 🙂

UPDATED LIST with current number of players including team salaries.


Wagner College (172501) Manager: Wagner confirmed
-87 Players / $227k+ Salaries (30 players) / 0 players on Transfer Market
Les Gueux du Marais (86508) Manager: Coach Faz Confirmed
-13 Players / $311k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market
Elan Demars (87312) Manager: demars confirmed
-17 Players / $311k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market
Holy City Hoopers (23767) Manager: Gccsteel Confirmed
-13 Players / $154k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market
Buckner Bandits (23579) Manager: T-Lit Confirmed
-16 Players / $114k Salaries / 2 Players on Transfer List
Madrid Chotis (76877) Manager: Jotadoce confirmed
-14 Players / $208k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market
WiMaOlca (35977) Manager: WiMaOl Confirmed
-12 Players / $323k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market
Rajdersi (237760) Manager: Paul George Confirmed
-11 Players / $308k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market (Didn't include non-HG players) $335k predicted salaries S68
Santa Eufemia Ducks (24340) Manager: GM-Enzo confirmed
-12 Players / $728k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer List
Swan River Serpents (197075) Manager: MrJ confirmed
-7 Players / $57k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer List (Didn't include non-HG players)
Lielupes Melnas Sirdis (146915) Manager: Moneta Confirmed
-9 Players / $138k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market
Suuret Muinaiset (172657) Manager: cthulhu Confirmed
-12 Players / $362k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market
Heywood Big Dogs (196315)Manager: Deano25 Confirmed
-16 Players / $557k Salaries / 3 Players on Transfer Market
Svätý Jur Snakers (172088) Manager: Hadar Confirmed
-13 Players / $636k Salaries / 0 Players on Transfer Market


We now have all 14 teams locked and ready...

Last edited by MrJ at 1/25/2025 3:28:25 AM

Why postpone it until next season? I thought it would be played this season. 14 participants, 13 matches for each on neutral ground and then the placement matches. No need to make anything difficult out of it.

As for starting this season, timing is already off like MrJ wrote (after this post of yours), so in order to start that we'd have to play two matches per week (instead of one). Also, the groundwork (decisions for example in terms of rules, different level penalties for violations of certain rules, regular season and playoff system, name of the league, who's responsible of what especially considering league commissioner(s?)/"league staff" duties and sending challenges, etc.). MrJ already has done lot of work with creating such documents, but we still haven't had much discussion about the additions (which we have plenty of time to do should the league start at the beginning of the next season). All this seems easy, but if you want to do it as well as possible (which is my approach to BBHG league as it's the most important thing ever for me in BB, nothing comes even close), there is more work than most would imagine.

I don't want to offend anyone either (as I want to create this a warm spirited community where we all support each other), LA-flaterik123, but I just do seem to have more thorough approach to this league and so I feel we're getting payoff later if we (having said that nothing is required from anyone else, but opinions and discussion are very welcome) do planning as well as possible, and in a thorough manner. Maybe, or possibly this league might not be as important to anyone else as it is to me, so that could explain some of the willingness to put in the hours and not just quickly put something together. (Yes, I plan and think a lot more about BBHG league than I write here in the forum).

One could just throw out some structure and rules (which wouldn't likely be taking into account many possibly problematic scenarios - heck, maybe even we couldn't if we'd come up with set of rules and penalties with MrJ, but at least there's a serious effort going on, you can trust on that!) and just play, but it's definitely not my style and I try to consider many aspects to make it as ideal and fair as possible for all, while still taking care the league won't become a wrong kind of playground (penalties, anyone?) and thus stays a great place for all us to play.

Personally I'm quite patient, (and in most cases) meticulous and thorough person, so I´d prefer this approach and I don't feel that things would fall apart or interest will fade if start would be at the start of the homegrown league would be at the start of the next BB season. We already have 14 teams confirmed to start the next season (and I'm not sure if teams that MrJ asked confirmation expected it to start next season - I've had that impression all the time that we are planning to start at the beginning of season 68).


To be continued...

Why postpone it until next season? I thought it would be played this season. 14 participants, 13 matches for each on neutral ground and then the placement matches. No need to make anything difficult out of it.

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I have no interest or intention to delay things unnecessarily, but I´d like to do things with care and prioritize careful planning over rushing, put some love into it and make things with style to begin with. This is not just any random private league, and this is our one shot get things started properly. For me this isn't a one year affair, I´m in it indefinitely and like the idea of taking serious approach to it (while having fun of course - while managing some background things takes lots of work I hope this league brings joy to homegrown teams). And I hope this becomes well known over the whole BB community, not just homegrown community, and will gather even wider following in the future.

And I think start of the next season is already a lot sooner than most of us thought - if someone would've asked you about it, say at the start of this BB season, would've you predicted that it starts already next season? Buzzerbeater and it's rules have received lots of love and thought, and considering most critical aspects of league (let alone whole game, which we luckily don't have to do here!) it takes more work than most would think, if one wants to create things that roll as smoothly as possible from the beginning and will keep working even if there would be some problems, because these problematic scenarios have been given thought before the league is started.

Nobody here in the forum, as far as I remember, have mentioned that it'd be starting this season as we just only were able to confirm, that we have enough teams starting next season. :) Having said that, it's not totally out of question either in my opinion. However, I feel like many/most of us are in this homegrowing project with the attitude of long commitment (and it's a playing/life style that requires patience more than any other playing style that I know of in BB), so most of us aren't in a rush I suppose. (Having said that, I'm not suggesting that managers do not want to start this season, I've only heard couple of opinions so far).

In many ways I think it would be just more convenient and logical to follow BB season structure, and keep up with 1 match per week schedule (already to which we'd have to make certain exceptions, 1-2 playoff matches per week) even if we'd start immediately at the beginning of the BB season. We are already like about 4 weeks late even if we'd start next week (considering how much we have to plan and decide I find starting next week quite unrealistic even if I'd put a positivity glasses on), and like I mentioned, now it would be necessary to play 2 matches per week - again, still possible theoretically of course if all other managers seem to want that, but not my personal preference.

I agree with the idea of one table of all 14 teams and one division.
What would finals look like? A bracket of the top 4 where one plays 4 and 2
Plays 3? Or expand it further?

Wagner has been working on this. Perhaps he'll share here for all to see what he has arrived at 🙂

Well, I have to admit that I have indeed done lots of thinking in terms of best league systems and some basic rules, and compared different options, created pros and cons-lists, etc.

MrJ also wrote excellent drafts about some basic rules, and maybe we could still have some discussion on some aspects about it in the very near future.

But now to the league system(s) that I've been thinking about. I was thinking that I'd present you my current favorite of all league systems and see if you guys would approve that.

So before the basic assumptions/rules that you'll find listed below, as a reminderr we have 14 participating teams so I wanted to keep that in mind at all times, so that regular season (a.k.a. round robin) would remain as interesting and as meaningful as possible for all teams (so it wouldn't be playing just for honor at the end of the season), as long as possible as we approach the end of regular season.

Basic league system information/notes:

In all propositions that I've compared during these last months (please note, that here I will present you only my current favorite system though) in regular season all teams face each other once on a neutral court (so there are 13 matches per team in regular season, a.k.a. round robin). Matches are played at a pace 1 match per week.
(Discussion on whether match needs to take place on a given day of week, or even at exact given time, or within a certaint timeframe only, still needs to be discussed further, but MrJ and some others presented some good discussion/points on this matter earlier).

All playoff games are decided in single elimination format, including bronze and gold medal match: you lose, you're out.

In playoffs, the team with a higher regular season record will get the home advantage for the playoff match (as a reward from better regular season success). Depending on playoff format (how many games we have to get played in remaining 2 weeks of the BB season), there will be 1-2 playoff matches on each of these seasons last 2 playoff weeks (second playoff week action is guaranteed of course only for teams proceeding to semifinals, as then they'll be guaranteed either a bronze or gold medal match).

As for teams reaching postseason play (playoffs), we need to remember that we have 14 teams, of which I think it'd be optimal to include a fair (or rather large) amount to keep things interesting for most teams for the maximum length of regular season.

In terms of playoffs, as I mentioned before in forum, I'd like to introduce bronze medal matches as well to this homegrown league! Like you who follow basketball IRL know, bronze match does take place in Olympics and basketball World and European championships at least (and for instance in Finnish basketball league, Korisliiga too), so I´d find it a very welcome addition! This would also enable us to make a proper all time medal table of the league, that we could update after each season.


To be continued...

I agree with the idea of one table of all 14 teams and one division.
What would finals look like? A bracket of the top 4 where one plays 4 and 2
Plays 3? Or expand it further?

Wagner has been working on this. Perhaps he'll share here for all to see what he has arrived at 🙂

Continues....


All my league/playoff system propositions (again, of which I present you my current favorite in the next message due to character limitations) assume that:

- league is being played with one league table only (14 teams in the same league table), so in other words league is NOT divided to two groups (as traditionally in BB league there are two groups - not in our league, for instance due to aforementioned problems associated with it).

- no fixed playoff table is made, but instead re-seeding is made after each round of playoffs so best remaining team faces worst remaining team.
(We can discuss the possibility of using fixed playoff tables on later seasons if managers are up to it, maybe it could be interesting for some coming seasons, and this is used in NCAA basketball playoffs for example. But for now it would be easiest and most logical to use re-seeding).
In a fixed table system (like what´s used in most tennis tournaments AFAIK for instance) you could benefit big time if a favorite team is dropped out of competition earlier than expected if they're on your side of playoff table - in this suggestion of mine though (for this first season at least) re-seeding will take place after each round of playoffs and best remaining team always faces the worst remaining team, and so on.

- better regular season win-loss record awards team home advantage for the match, so that makes regular season success important - every gained position in regular season could give you needed edge in playoffs which makes nearly all regular season games count as home advantage could be a decisive edge that your team needs

- if teams have same win-loss record after regular season, then instead of using ranking based on scoring differential, maybe we could rank them based on the result of the match when they faced each other during the regular season? In one sense, they were the better team of those two by winning that match. (However, this isn't a dealbreaker kind of thing/rule for me but rather a suggestion, and this AFAIK is used for instance in Finnish basketball and I like the logic of it).

Due to these 4000 character limitations, I reveal my favorite league and playoff system in the next message.


To be continued...