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1727.21 in reply to 1727.18
Date: 10/16/2007 9:33:33 PM
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Oh lord, I'm in trouble, nickfox actually agreed with me on a point!!!! ;)

What have I done!!!!

I do know the individual statlines need to be taken in the context of the game, but do I think someone searching the transfer list will go that far to research a player? Maybe, maybe not, but nonetheless, if an alternative to dealing with these erroneous stat lines can be found, I'm all for it!!!!

But, if we fix the illegal lineup issue, then these erroneous stat lines would disappear!!!! My logic is impeccable!!! :)

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1727.22 in reply to 1727.20
Date: 10/17/2007 12:12:58 AM
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I guess maybe we need to add an extra flag to mark games that were forfeited and not average over those for calculating stats.


I'd really like to see this happen, just because I actually enjoy looking at statistics. I can't help myself :-( The more realistic they are the better my immersion in the game is.

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1727.23 in reply to 1727.21
Date: 10/17/2007 5:47:26 AM
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maybe this point hasn't been made strongly enough... it would be impossible to make it impossible to set an illegal lineup, unless you also made it mandatory that you took all players out of all lineups for all games before you sold them. Otherwise simply by selling your starters you would create an illegal lineup.

From: snuzers
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1727.24 in reply to 1727.23
Date: 10/17/2007 3:10:25 PM
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Now, now....never say impossible. Everything is possible.
People said man would never fly. The Wright brothers fixed that.
People said the earth was flat. Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, et al fixed that.
People said we couldn't send a human into space. Gagarin fixed that.
BB-Forrest says we can't make it impossible to set an illegal lineup. Who will fix that???

come on now. if you build it, they will come.

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1727.25 in reply to 1727.24
Date: 10/17/2007 6:04:24 PM
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C'mon snuzers, be real here. The examples you give are true, but they don't defy logic like what you require.

Why don't you go sell all your players and see how many legal lineups you're able to set?

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1727.26 in reply to 1727.24
Date: 10/17/2007 6:13:01 PM
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Now, now....never say impossible. Everything is possible.
People said man would never fly. The Wright brothers fixed that.
People said the earth was flat. Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, et al fixed that.
People said we couldn't send a human into space. Gagarin fixed that.
BB-Forrest says we can't make it impossible to set an illegal lineup. Who will fix that???

come on now. if you build it, they will come.

The thing is.. people actually care about three of those topics.

From: snuzers

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1727.27 in reply to 1727.26
Date: 10/17/2007 7:47:50 PM
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Now, now....never say impossible. Everything is possible.
People said man would never fly. The Wright brothers fixed that.
People said the earth was flat. Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, et al fixed that.
People said we couldn't send a human into space. Gagarin fixed that.
BB-Forrest says we can't make it impossible to set an illegal lineup. Who will fix that???

come on now. if you build it, they will come.

The thing is.. people actually care about three of those topics.


Ok, I give you that people still are fighting the whole earth is round thing........ :)

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1727.28 in reply to 1727.25
Date: 10/17/2007 7:55:03 PM
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C'mon snuzers, be real here. The examples you give are true, but they don't defy logic like what you require.

Why don't you go sell all your players and see how many legal lineups you're able to set?

Now don't fly off to the extreme here....I never intended to eliminate forfeits all together.....
however, you could make it so you can't sell or fire players once you get to a minimum number of players......
it also isn't realistic for someone to sell off their players to the point they have nobody left....they would sell the franchise or fold.......
Being a normal, somewhat sane individual, I wouldn't sell all my players. I would just stop playing. However, set a minimum roster requirement, default a lineup and be done with it.

As I posted before, it's not realistic for a "professional" team to forfeit. You need to make the game "idiot proof".....
even if it's a minimum of 7 players or 5 players, or whatever, enforce it and don't allow depth charts to be saved with a starting five slot empty and see what happens......
I dislike the notion that it is impossible to do. Now, if the issue is that it won't be done...ok. Say that then. I'm a big boy. I can take it. My days of thinking I should get what I want, whenever I want it (like my 6 year old are long gone)....at least my 13 year old has accepted that as well.

Edited 10/17/2007 7:55:37 PM by snuzers

From: LA-Niko

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1727.29 in reply to 1727.28
Date: 10/17/2007 8:30:51 PM
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Ok the problem is well known and it is on the list of things that need fixing.

For now it will stay like it is until the more pressing issues are dealt with.

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
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1727.30 in reply to 1727.27
Date: 10/17/2007 9:00:32 PM
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Ok, I give you that people still are fighting the whole earth is round thing........ :)

Haha! That was pretty good - well done. :)

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1727.31 in reply to 1727.29
Date: 10/17/2007 10:02:16 PM
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Ok the problem is well known and it is on the list of things that need fixing.

For now it will stay like it is until the more pressing issues are dealt with.

Fair enough.

Just as an FYI, looking through the playoffs for about 160 leagues, I found 4 forfeits. One in the championship finals, and the other three in the first round....since I can't see the depth chart screen, I have no idea why those four teams forfeited. I understand the steps taken have resolved the majority of the issues, but I hope that playoff forfeits, which should never happen, are remembered so something is done in the future.....
As old as I am, I won't forget about it!!!!!

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