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Hello !
I've just tested PlayPass, I think there is something unbalanced, bacause except the 2 best teams facing each other at the last game, the other teams don't face their "twin" at the end.
Due to my lack of english, I give an example below, it will be more explicit.

In MY schedule, team1 (the best) will face team2 (the second best) for the last game. Team1/Team3 the game just before, and so on. Team 16 / Team 15 for the last game.

In PLAYPASS, it's the same for team 1, but not for team.. 3 for example.

Looking nearer, it seems, that Playpass is pratically the same as mine, excepted one or 2 games, so we can take playpass. The good point, also, is that it's creating the rankings instantly.

Yeah, I love the instant ladder part. Easy to edit, then whoever does it can simply cut and paste a copy into the forum each week for everyone to see.

Autsch … I missed that … using PUs I am out too.

Hello !
I've just tested PlayPass, I think there is something unbalanced, bacause except the 2 best teams facing each other at the last game, the other teams don't face their "twin" at the end.
Due to my lack of english, I give an example below, it will be more explicit.

In MY schedule, team1 (the best) will face team2 (the second best) for the last game. Team1/Team3 the game just before, and so on. Team 16 / Team 15 for the last game.

In PLAYPASS, it's the same for team 1, but not for team.. 3 for example.

Looking nearer, it seems, that Playpass is pratically the same as mine, excepted one or 2 games, so we can take playpass. The good point, also, is that it's creating the rankings instantly.

I don't know about the functionality of Playpass for instance, but I suppose it might be necessary for us to accept somewhat imperfect (randomized as in Playpass?) schedule?

I mean if we want to adjust it ourselves, it should be done in a fair/equal way and with that amount of matches I take it that it's quite if not very difficult or at least arduous to rearrange them manually and still ensure every match is being played (even using that Playpass regular season schedule as a base model/starting point)?

Also I see those good things/strong points in strongest facing strongest and weakest facing weakest at the end, but I think it's not ideal that whole season runs like that (for example, if best team would face team ranked no. 14th, then 13th, then 12th and so on, because then best ones would "lock in" their playoff place very early on and worst would likely be out of playoffs, also quite early on during the season.

Randomizing the schedule on the other hand hurts some teams in a season in terms of totally fair schedule (at which point of the season you'll face hard and easy opponents, if and as the order is not the same for all teams), but in a way it might be fairest thing to do, as in theory the effect of luck (in terms of what kind of regular season schedule you'll receive for the coming season) should equalize during multiple seasons of play... Still haven't given this as much thought as possible though, so let's see if new thoughts arise.

Autsch … I missed that … using PUs I am out too.

Oh...I recall you said you couldn't compete because you were already in a PL.

Sorry, I thought your realised we were going with the PU games as there were problems with running a PL and Federation.

IF you still want back in, I could give up my spot for you? I'm ok to do that for the first season as my roster will be a low $80k. Not much competition for any of you.

Let me know.

I'm happy to stay working on this regardless. :-)

Looks like we will be running a Poll for the name so,

Everyone list their best name choice.

I will make a list and the first...I don't know...10 we receive will go into that poll? Does this work for everyone?

I actually have 2 suggestions for a name of the league(should that be allowed in this case).
But to name the more important first (should only one suggestion per manager be accepted), it's my original suggestion from/since 24th of September last year when I suggested that such homegrown league would be great to get started.
The suggestion I used already back then was BBHG, which is short for BuzzerBeater Home Grown.

As I'm not a native English speaker, frankly I can't tell what kind of images that name then awakens in people (as Swan River Serpents' manager suggested in an earlier post that it's not "exactly enticing"), but to me those initials simply mean what they mean and because they're directly derived from logical word combination (BuzzerBeater Home Grown) they're for me at least also easy to remember.

While the first one is my main suggestion due to being "the original one", my second name suggestion would reflect my mental relationship with this league: like I mentioned this BBHG is going to be the most important league for me mentally, and I'm playing the "regular BB league" more or less only because I have to.
So my second name suggestion is The League.
It underlines the importance of it, and suggests that all already know what we are talking about when we use a prefix The.

It is also used as a name of highest tier of Finnish ice hockey league (and probably some other top sports leagues in the world too), Liiga in Finnish, but I don't mind as I do like how it sounds. It will be the ultimate league for me, and The League would reflect that well too.

Okay...

...League Name possibilities put forward:

BBHG (BuzzerBeater HomeGrown) (Wagner)
The League (Wagner)
H²G²L (Heroic Home Grown GreatestS League) demars
HomeGrown Heroes (MrJ



Anyone else? Once we get enough, we can create a poll.

Last edited by MrJ at 1/11/2025 8:26:56 AM

One thing that I just noticed that does seem to be a slight challenge is the arranging the PU game schedule for the duration of whole season in a one go.

I just noticed/realized that if we play one PU game in a week, then we can only arrange them 2 months forward from the current moment (which would mean maybe 7-8 first matches - so only until to about the halfway of the regular season - if all us arrange maximum amount of matches just before the season starts).

It would've been ideal to arrange all regular season matches before the season starts, but that's where we stand at the moment. Please let us know if you have a better solution...

One thing that I just noticed that does seem to be a slight challenge is the arranging the PU game schedule for the duration of whole season in a one go.

I just noticed/realized that if we play one PU game in a week, then we can only arrange them 2 months forward from the current moment (which would mean maybe 7-8 first matches - so only until to about the halfway of the regular season - if all us arrange maximum amount of matches just before the season starts).

It would've been ideal to arrange all regular season matches before the season starts, but that's where we stand at the moment. Please let us know if you have a better solution...

YEah.

I agree...it is an issue.

I think the best thing we can do is:

1. Publish a finalised Schedule (Wehn we are ready)
2. Hope that Managers can arrange them on a week-to-week basis. I suspect there will be many teams, like mine, that do not have many tokens currently (I play a lot of interclub games for fun and tactic testing), so setting PU games long-term would be difficult anyway.

We could also ask teams to let us know before season starts how many tokens they have (if for some reason they don't want to reveal exact number, it would be enough for us to know if they have for instance 4 or more, or 10 or more, which would then respectively allow them to either gather more during the first half of the BBHG league, or in the case of 10 tokens have already enough of them to allow their part of PU game requests for the regular season and hosting (possible home matches?) during playoffs if playoffs are being played with "one loss and you're out"-format as suggested earlier.

For instance, I currently have plenty of tokens so I'd be willing to use them if one is seriously out of them. However, that needs to be then clearly marked to the season fixtures so that I know which ones I'm responsible of organizing (and receive a sanction if I fail to do so).

I'd find it preferable if at least half of the seasons' regular season games would be organized in one occassion, and all the rest when we face the halfway of the regular season.

Why? Because things happen in life, and it's more realistic that things get surely done when they've been done - otherwise someone will surely fail to organize a match. When we do this like 7-8 games in one go, then we can have all teams to confirm they've arranged their schedule until this and this date, and do not need to hope all 14(?) teams remember to do this each week of the season.

I know I might sound negative, but it's lot of matches and things happen, so I want to be realistic and make things work from the beginning as smoothly as possible.

And if such things (not organizing match for any reason) would happen, it would mean penalties and that would needlessly mix those match results (in some instances, couple of 0-50 forfeits could change the league result not only for the forfeited team, but for the other teams in the league too).

Actually, if we think this through, we aren't planning to start until Season 68. That means there is another 12-13 weeks. IF those teams competing started stockpiling their token as of now...until then, every team, regardless of how many they have at present, would have enough to at least set arrange the first half of the games!

Every team receives at 1 per week. Those of us with Supporter, 2 per week. Easy regardless.

Last edited by MrJ at 1/11/2025 9:25:31 AM

Actually, if we think this through, we aren't planning to start until Season 68. That means there is another 12-13 weeks. IF those teams competing started stockpiling their token as of now...until then, every team, regardless of how many they have at present, would have enough to at least set arrange the first half of the games!

Every team receives at 1 per week. Those of us with Supporter, 2 per week. Easy regardless.

Exactly, that's a good point/reminder.
"Problem", if it ever even existed, is solved as long as all participating teams start gathering tokens now if they're low in tokens currently... :) And like you mentioned earlier, this will be mentioned in an information post about the league, so that current (and especially future) managers of the league will remember the importance of it.