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I'm guessing most of you are too cliquish to admit to it, but I'd be very surprised if you didn't all have the same reaction if I CTed you under similar circumstances. Or, for a more extreme example, if one of the tanking teams suddenly bought 5 good players and CTed you, then went back to tanking against everybody else, I think you'd be rightfully upset. Obviously that's a more extreme example, but it's the same idea - a team acting in a way that hurts another team when they have no motivation for doing so.

You should have quit this argument while you were behind...now you just sound like a total douche bag. Listen to yourself...you are actually whining because a guy chose to beat you...and the basis of your complaint sounds like you think he owes you something...like he's supposed to pause, and say to himself "Well, I could get one last bit of enjoyment in this crappy injury riddled season and try to get a win against a great team....but wait, if I do that, I might hurt his feelings...I might deprive him of a win that he feels he's entitled to...after all, I am a lowly 8th seeded team on my way back to D2, clearly I owe this guy something...he deserves the win".....

Whatever dude...get over yourself....You aren't entitled to anything! This is a competitive sports game...who the heck are you to question a guys motives for trying for the win, especially when doing so is 100% within the rules.



Last edited by Jason at 9/28/2014 4:39:19 AM

i've got to say this about preparing to play TKI -- magiker experiments (trains?) so much that his team statistics are meaningless. and when he does put his best foot forward -- as i'm thinking he did in this last game against Yuck -- then the results are distorted by the in-game injury to Reedy.

so i'm reduced to thinking what i would do if i were him -- but he is almost certain to throw some twist into that expectation my limited brain did not anticipate. scary opponent.

You make the playoffs regardless of the outcome, and either way you will have to go through Bullish Mentality to win...not sure what the big deal is...

one of the strange aspects of BB is the limited rewards for making the playoffs. there may be some sort of attendance boost the next season, but i've often thought it crazy that making and losing the initial playoff game was too heavily penalized (at this level, a rough reduction in income of $300,000). that's a serious hit to someone on a tight budget.

as for the rest, i agree it was fine for TF to CT, and it is fine for Tucumcari to be upset and blow off steam but i hope ozone remembers he has one of the three or four best teams in the country and he was always going to play Bullish Mentality on his court. and, for me this counts as a lot, you will be back here next season.

as for lathrop, i am reminded of Job, or more particularly, Job's wife, who after seeing the troubles befall her hubby said, "Curse God and die" -- understandable advice, to me. Job told his wife to STFU.

Ok, this is devolving into name calling and going around in circles so I'll make this my last post. This has nothing to do with feeling entitled or having my feelings hurt. My point was simply that nothing would have been lost by not CTing the game since it meant nothing to him, but something would have been gained because I'd remember it when the situations are reversed. Now I'll remember the opposite. And, fwiw, I now see that I'm in the minority on this.

Last edited by ozone at 9/28/2014 3:17:53 PM

as for lathrop, i am reminded of Job, or more particularly, Job's wife, who after seeing the troubles befall her hubby said, "Curse God and die" -- understandable advice, to me. Job told his wife to STFU.

This post definitely struck me funny.

As in regards to TF and the Whalers, I agree with both teams. Technical Fouls had to win their last 3 games. So he likely came up with this strategy of Normal, Normal, CT. Though he did lose the 2nd game, and had no chance to avoid the 8th spot, he decided to stay with the same strategy.

why not give everything you have and try to end on a positive note ??

I think the better question is why would he give everything he has? The value of winning that game for him was zero, but by going out of his way to to take a game that actually matters to me, he made an enemy of me. I guess what I'm saying is that it's nice to have an unspoken agreement that if a game is meaningless to team A and important to team B, team A isn't going to go out of their way to screw over team B. I see that I don't have that with Tech Fouls and I'll remember it, hence my post.

I debated about posting. I was online late Saturday night and saw your original post and was completely taken aback. I almost responded then, but thought you were reflexively ranting while upset. I thought I'd let you sleep on it assuming cooler heads in the morning would prevail. Alas, I was surprised again to read your completely out of line comments and blatant misrepresentation of what happened even after more than one pointed out more than one way your perspective was skewed. I was quite busy and couldn't get online to reply until now and this is in response to all yours posts, not just the quote above. I'm sorry if this also is perceived as some affront against you.

For those counting at home ozone referenced our game this past weekend as having no value to me about 957 times. I don't know what the betting line was, but I hope you took the over. Of course, this continued framing of the game is completely false and insulting. Ozone, your inability to properly view this situation from anything but your narrow self-centered biased viewpoint does more to point out your inadequacies and arrogance than any potential slight against you. To continually pretend that this game had absolutely no value to me and my team is just plain wrong and total BS.
Until now I have never heard anyone say league games in the NBBA have zero value. If this is true, it's totally news to me. Since I might be naive, please help me out. Which league games of yours this season had absolutely zero value? Would you also mind pointing out which games had zero value for EDH and Kurgans? I'm going to be quite upset if they underhandedly won those meaningless games since I auto demoted by 1 game and some PD!!! Maybe my game with Bullish late in the season was totally meaningless and he accidentally beat me by mistake. WTF?!?! Can we get a re-do so I have a chance to finish in 7th? That only seems fair...

I know, I'm being unfair, you probably are implying the game meant nothing to the standings. Oh wait, it actually mattered quite a bit apparently so you don't mean that. Maybe you simply mean that in your own world where the sun revolves around you that the game didn't affect my position in the standings. You are right, I'm still autodemoting, but you see, not adjusting my position in the standings after one game and having zero value being totally meaningless are VERY different. What you fail to grasp is that the way the season ended this game actually was extremely important to my club and the outcome has direct implications. What? How so, you just said you're still finishing in 8th? Yes, but I'm talking about fan club and money. This is the last competitive game my team will probably play in the NBBA, possibly ever, but certainly the final meaningful (there's that word again) game for a few weeks. This means when the fan mood is recalculated my team will have absolutely no events that can alter its level. Whatever the outcome, fans will leave or stay for multiple updates based on this outcome. So, not only was it the final league game, but also a home game and a TV game, factors which elevate the status and ramifications of fans. The only possible factor that could have made this game more important was if it were a rivalry game. Winning this game means more fans, higher merchandise money short term, and more revenue during the first few games of next

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The fact that you can't comprehend this and continued to post was frustrating. Did you think there was some grand collusion between teams? I can't even comprehend why you ranted after having some time to think it over. There was no grand scheme to screw you over. I beat Delta9 and Barbarian Marauders at home at the end of the season too. Didn't even thank me for helping you out... *sniff*
What nobody has talked about yet is the game itself. Kind of irks me, my team was short-handed and pulled off a massive upset which rocked the playoff picture and yet all the talk is about how beating you was some massive insult! Screw you man. Before we get to the game you need some inside information. Right now you think I was sitting pretty with enthusiasm and dropped it all on you screwing you over while I laughed quite deeply and loudly like in the movies. Far from the truth. My season was on the brink over a month before it ended and every game was must win. I basically stopped TIEing games going normal all but once. I helped demonstrate that HCA matters, always has. What you don't know is that my enthusiasm sucked when I played you because I CT'd EDH on the road the game prior. Bam! Go back and re-read the forum so you can see all the complaining he did after that game and how many threats he made against me for targeting him and screwing him over. Didn't take long, did it. That's because your perception continues to be wrong on so many levels. There actually isn't some massive whine fest when a team CTs, on the contrary it happens more often than some realize, it just doesn't become public info because a CT vs nml looks the exact same as a nml vs TIE and many managers like yourself just assume everyone TIEs. normal vs normal look like TIE vs TIE and it doesn't become public because it only hurts each team, so the TIE vs TIE gets perpetuated. When lies get repeated enough people start believing them.
Now you know I normal'd everybody leading up to the end dropping my enthusiasm to 7 when I CT'd EDH. Going into our match my enthusiasm was 4 (not a typo). Don't believe me, try actually looking at the ratings of the match knowing now I CT'd you at home, they suck. My enthusiasm was absolute crap and the real reason I CT'd you was because I was trying not to get my butt kicked. As above, if I keep playing I can't afford the fans to leave by the truckload. I assumed you would win handily and I was trying to minimize the loss.
But lets talk about the game. After all, it's the cause of all the rage and threats. My team is autodemoting and had it's second best player injured and unavailable leaving only 6 to dress. Well, actually 8, but two have salaries below 3k! Of those 6 I TL'd 3. So going into the game you were up against the team set to autodemote which wasn't healthy, and you could see the exact attributes of half the players. By the time OT reared it's head 2 of my starters had fouled out including my absolute star player. So I played all of the overtime with a total of 6 guys, 2 of which make less than 3k a week! Was that the part that was so insulting and set you off? The team I was able to field that OT period would miss the playoffs in D3, but somehow found a way to double you up!! If I were you I'd take a long look at that and figure out what is wrong. If you can't beat a team in OT that can't field a D3 quality team you don't deserve to win or do much of anything in the NBBA.

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Two weeks prior you were the hot team in the league and the front runner for the 2 seed, consensus pick to win the cup, and the darkhorse team capable of knocking out Bullish (proven by the cup win). That cup win put you on the map. Up until that point you were just another new NBBA team with potential and apparently a large money pit willing to spend what it took. There was talk about you possibly winning the double your first season in the league, but it was foolish banter until that cup win. At that point you were no longer just another newbie with promotion money, but someone to take seriously that was likely to stick around for a while. That one win gave you actual credibility and can easily be in the discussion for best win this season countrywide. So now, in the last game of the season, my team which was less healthy, less talented, out-coached, had worse form and horrendous enthusiasm, while still being demoted, knocked off the new darling of the NBBA in a crazy competitive game that went to OT and saw many players foul out. This win altered the playoff landscape and will alter the financial future of my team but nobody is talking about it. Hell, nobody is even talking about the playoffs or predicting who will make it out of the first round. Instead you're doing your best Harbaugh impersonation and nailing the self-centered arrogant immature hypocrisy spot on.
When all is said and done, no matter what happens in the playoffs you have had a wildly successful season with many great wins and a signature victory that put you on the map; you should be proud of that. Instead you decided to throw insults, whine and moan, and make threats. Now you know why you just lost many admirers and friends.
You came into this final week enjoying your view from the pedestal way up high, sorry if I kicked the legs out from under you, but I hope you understand it had absolutely nothing to do with you, honestly. Your legs were on my path and in my way - my path was set a few games ago, yours wasn't, sorry if the crashing down was too painful. Your reaction after an inferior team beat you will be remembered long after you forget the outcome of this match. You learned a few hard lessons this season, one of which is that every game counts - and matters. Welcome to the NBBA.

I'm not sure if words are failingme or you've exhausted the supply, but I'm agree.

Nice job man. I agree with your thought process 100%. However, pretty sure it isn't your last NBBA game ever. Good luck in the next couple of seasons.

Fantastic, this is the 2nd season in a row my best player's been hurt in the 1st round of the playoffs. I hate injuries so much. So so much.

I still don't understand why they're in this game.