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194420.20 in reply to 194420.19
Date: 8/18/2011 9:13:26 AM
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The real question here would be if you american or nba players. Ginobili, Nowitski, Sabonis, are top world players. Are they great international or nba players? Bodiroga was one of the greatest scorers of all times and never played a minute, to name an example.

The real advantage in NBA is phisical. There is talent on the level of Wade, Kobe, but it's really hard to find players outside the NBA like Shaq, Amare, Lebron or Dwight Howard.

I love NBA, but I also love my national team, Argentina. Can anyone say that USA is way better than Argentina? It's a never ending debate, and a really cool one.

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194420.21 in reply to 194420.20
Date: 8/18/2011 2:21:02 PM
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I think it's important to separate "NBA players" from "american players". Like you say, American players have a clear advantage when it comes to athleticism, like you say, but people argue that they rely too much on that and as a consequence the tactical schemes become too basic. The consequence is having great offense completely baffled by simple zone defenses.

As to which national team is better, to me it's clear that the USA are favourites given their recent sucess. But Argentina has had a great generation of players and a gold medal to show for that ;)

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194420.22 in reply to 194420.20
Date: 8/18/2011 5:01:08 PM
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when i look at the european basketball leagues i would say yes, american basketball players are every where and still play on a high level thats a incredible depth. And lot of american player also suffer from the different rules they face when playing in their national teams.

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194420.23 in reply to 194420.20
Date: 8/19/2011 12:44:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure USA Basketball is way better than Argentina. To put this to rest compare the top 12 U.S. players Vs. The top 12 Argentine players. I'm not saying they are not very talented and could not beat the U.S. ever. But the U.S. wins 90 out of 100 times. Just my opinion though.

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194420.24 in reply to 194420.23
Date: 8/19/2011 2:20:06 PM
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When it comes to pure individual talent, you're probably right. USA basketball has a much better pool of players than any other country (maybe even than the rest of the world combined!). But what recent history tells us is that having better individual talent isn't the only thing it takes to win, and that's why Spain and Argentina were successful.

But anyway, I think the global trend is encouraging. I think both the "rest of the world" leagues and countries are getting closer to the US. Having all those international players going against the best in the NBA also helps, and hopefully soon we will have more competitive international competition

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194420.25 in reply to 194420.23
Date: 8/19/2011 5:04:26 PM
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compare the top 12 U.S. players Vs. The top 12
in this case you're probably right.

the U.S. wins 90 out of 100 times. Just my opinion though. in this case, you are not right. Foreign teams play much better as a team, and that is a quality to analyze players.

Nowitzki, Ginobili, Ming, Bodiroga, Divac...

Now, what about the foreign born players? Duncan, Olajuwon, Ewing, Wilkins were born oustide USA. Are they americans in your account?

Dream Team? Best team ever. Current USA team, very very good, but not that great.

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194420.26 in reply to 194420.25
Date: 8/20/2011 4:18:42 PM
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You are right, there are many great European and even South American basketball players that are catching up.
I'd say the U.S top 12 would win about 70-75% of the time.

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194420.27 in reply to 194420.26
Date: 8/21/2011 12:30:56 AM
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Just my 2 cents..... USA had a very bad cancer (streetball) growing from within that no one really truly understood. This has given other parts of the world to catch up knowledge wise. However, our talent pool is flowing over our cups. It other parts of the world players go pro as early as 14 yr old. in the US you can't turn pro until you are 1 yr out of high school. Keywords are out of high school. I believe the if I went throughout the USA and just picked 12 players that never make it to school and had the chance to showcase they're skills on a play level. We would still have a 60 to 40 percent chance to win if giving enough time to train and learn a system. I seen a lot of players that had the total package and due to some issues never got his chance to shine. Now saying that, with all these Americans going overs seas playing and having babies. The talent level will catch up in the next 20 or so years. EX: 1 of my best friends played in Iceland and had a son which is 10 right now and loves basketball.

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194420.28 in reply to 194420.27
Date: 8/21/2011 5:31:57 AM
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This conversation has move completely away from my original question. Not even GM-Chihorn could tie it back together.

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194420.29 in reply to 194420.28
Date: 8/21/2011 6:33:48 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3WGagB60so

euro league pros are so good....

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194420.30 in reply to 194420.1
Date: 8/21/2011 11:45:37 AM
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Uh.. getting back on topic... I too agree that the game engine somewhat penalizes high stamina players by having them play too many minutes, especially when decent backups are available and any good coach would also take weekly game shape into strategic consideration. Unfortunately, I think a post in the suggestions forum is our only recourse at the moment.

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