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From: Wagner

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Date: 5/12/2025 7:58:19 AM
Wagner College
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To refer to my earlier post, here: (326589.154), we're still waiting for
-Santa Eufemia Ducks,
-Heywood Big Dogs, and
-Rajdersi
to state there interest/willingness to participate to Season 2 of HGL. Still some time left in the HGL Regular Season, but I wanted to remind you guys in the case you have totally missed that post somehow, or just forgot to respond.

From: Wagner

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Date: 5/12/2025 7:58:54 AM
Wagner College
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@all HGL managers:
If you still haven't updated your HGL scores to your own Season 1 box score post (links to your post easily available here, after your team abbreviation and name: (326589.3).

I have noticed, that not all seem to send box score posts to Official Scores Thread after each match, and not all are updating their own box score posts that frequently (or at all). Maybe I'd consider updating your own Season 1 box score posts even more essential out of these two.

So like mentioned, I checked out who had done the updating and who hasn't. If you can't see your team name on the list, it means you've updated all scores to your post, and no action is necessary for you.

But if you do see your team on list below, would you all please update your own box score postings (and especially in the case of some teams who haven't so far updated their posts somewhat regularly, please try to remember to update it more regularly after matches in the future), thank you:

Team name (teams own box score post last updated after Round):
BIG (after Round 3)
BUC (Round 7)
D (Round 3)
ED (Round 8)
HCH (Round 8)
HEY (No scores updates at all yet)
LGM (Round 7)
LMS (No scores updates at all yet)
RAJ (Round 3)
SED (No scores updates at all yet)
SRS (No scores updates at all yet)
TRO (No scores updates at all yet)

From: MrJ

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Date: 5/12/2025 8:50:39 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

Exciting times...

Indeed... And while you mentioned that you're not getting too much enjoyment out of HGL at the moment (due to losing badly) I can assure you that being as experienced (and to me you also appear as patient, even though you've occasionally mentioned that you're not)manager as you are, you will be able to dig yourself out of that skill point hole.

I was asking this from everyone on my most recent posting, but let me just also ask directly from you, that have you checked out buzzer-manager in terms of what kind of estimated salary development there will be for your team (based on training this season, as I assume B-M takes into account skill drops and pop-ups that have occurred during this season, while current salary only takes into account skill point situation that occurred between the season changes)?


Yes. I used it at the start of the season to map out the value of every skill pop and end salaries for all my players.

1. I decide on the season's training plan. (all 14 weeks)
2. I then use the training coefficients to work out the likely values of total pops for the entire season.
3. I then use Buzzer Manager, input all of these 'predicted' TSPs and arrive at a close approximate of the end salary for each of my players. I have done this, and will continue to do this...for my 1st and 2nd team.

The coefficients I use are mostly accurate although some need to be updated. However, I still use them as they usually under predict the likely training. Therefore, I over predict player TSps so I can estimate worse-case salaries.

However, given the situation I am in (8 players) and making $60-80k a week profit, and not needing to worry about the salaries going higher, I'm not too concerned at this point. I still do it as I like to be prepared.

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ

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326589.200 in reply to 326589.198
Date: 5/12/2025 8:55:11 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
342342
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
@all HGL managers:
If you still haven't updated your HGL scores to your own Season 1 box score post (links to your post easily available here, after your team abbreviation and name: (326589.3).

I have noticed, that not all seem to send box score posts to Official Scores Thread after each match, and not all are updating their own box score posts that frequently (or at all). Maybe I'd consider updating your own Season 1 box score posts even more essential out of these two.

So like mentioned, I checked out who had done the updating and who hasn't. If you can't see your team name on the list, it means you've updated all scores to your post, and no action is necessary for you.

But if you do see your team on list below, would you all please update your own box score postings (and especially in the case of some teams who haven't so far updated their posts somewhat regularly, please try to remember to update it more regularly after matches in the future), thank you:

Team name (teams own box score post last updated after Round):
BIG (after Round 3)
BUC (Round 7)
D (Round 3)
ED (Round 8)
HCH (Round 8)
HEY (No scores updates at all yet)
LGM (Round 7)
LMS (No scores updates at all yet)
RAJ (Round 3)
SED (No scores updates at all yet)
SRS (No scores updates at all yet)
TRO (No scores updates at all yet)


I'm thinking there are a few managers who, like me, don't see the point in posting the same information in 3 separate places. It seems unnecessarily extra work. (1) Every game is already available via the master posts at the beginning of the HGL Scores thread. (2) Then we are to post our results again in the same thread. One of the two managers for that game does this without doubling up. (3) Then a third time on our own posts where all the games are listed?

Seems like overkill, Wagner.

Surely once we have a full list like we do at the start of the HGL Scores thread, where every single game is linked for anybody to view anytime, the need for game scores to be posted in other places seems unnecessary?




Last edited by MrJ at 5/12/2025 8:56:32 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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326589.201 in reply to 326589.200
Date: 5/12/2025 9:22:47 AM
Wagner College
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I'm thinking there are a few managers who, like me, don't see the point in posting the same information in 3 separate places. It seems unnecessarily extra work.

I have noticed that as well (that there seem to be managers that don't feel like doing it), that's why I messaged about it.

I see that point of view of course, but I don't see it unnecessary, and much less I see it arduous, especially to update your own scores post. Than includes adding maximum of 8(!) characters, including adding space, per one posting (if both teams score more than 100 points), so if that's arduous for some, then I don't know what wouldn't be arduous for such managers. :)

(1) Every game is already available via the master posts at the beginning of the HGL Scores thread. (2) Then we are to post our results again in the same thread. One of the two managers for that game does this without doubling up. (3) Then a third time on our own posts where all the games are listed? Seems like overkill, Wagner. Surely once we have a full list like we do at the start of the HGL Scores thread, where every single game is linked for anybody to view anytime, the need for game scores to be posted in other places seems unnecessary?

Again, you are correct that they are available in master post. And I see where you're coming from.
However, it's always better to be on the safe side, so having them available at least in two different sources, of which another one is editable by each manager, certainly doesn't harm, and like mentioned earlier, hardly can be called work as updating one's box score links-post is practically almost easy and fast as saying 1-2-3.

Like I mentioned, I have noticed that most managers haven't sent box scores posts (for unsent games), even though that has been asked for until now. Like I mentioned earlier, that "let's for now keep on sending these separate box scores posts, until further notice" (etc., I can't recall exact words I used). Managers mostly have not done this, but I have decided to partly look that through my fingers, mainly due to reasons you mentioned above.

So while I personally would prefer that box score posts would be sent to scores thread after each game (by either manager) in the future as well, we can now change a current practice, so that all managers update their match scores to their own box score posts, and do not have to send a separate box score post (such as one like this: (326590.184)) to a scores thread.


From: Wagner

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Date: 5/12/2025 9:24:50 AM
Wagner College
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@all HGL managers:
As an added reminder: Please do not ever delete your own box score posts, or edit/change correctly input scores after HGL Season.

We might need to have these old match scores available on later seasons, and again, it's best to have them available at least in two sources.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/12/2025 9:25:31 AM

From: MrJ

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Date: 5/12/2025 9:26:07 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
342342
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

A fair compromise, Wagner.

Can you please change my current link to this one then as I use this in my own HGL Swan River Serpents thread where I update the scores regularly: (327250.2)



Last edited by MrJ at 5/12/2025 9:26:30 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Deano25

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Date: 5/12/2025 10:27:25 AM
Heywood Big Dogs
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
180180
Second Team:
Heywood Lions
Hi Wagner,

While the competition is interesting, as I stated just before this season started, I'm honoring my commitment to this season to keep it fair for all involved and then I'll step out to create space for someone else. The admin requirements (which, as you often point out, are low as you are doing the vast majority of it) frustrate me. Like the scores on our individual posts. I haven't been updating my post as by the time I get on I usually can see the other coach (or someone) has and you have the result, so it seems pointless writing it somewhere else.
But I don't want to be pedantic about the details so I'll retire after this season, continue being a home grown team for my own reasons and let someone else enjoy the league.
Best wishes to all.

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Date: 5/13/2025 4:25:05 AM
Rajdersi
III.11
Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
Rajdersi II
I'm in for season 2.
I was thinking about becoming reserve team- I am not sure if I am able to promote to div II without additonal transfers. Maybe in season 70 I would have to buy one player so I might not be HG in S70.


Last edited by Paul George at 5/13/2025 4:29:03 AM

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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326589.207 in reply to 326589.203
Date: 5/13/2025 7:02:58 AM
Wagner College
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
211211

A fair compromise, Wagner.

Can you please change my current link to this one then as I use this in my own HGL Swan River Serpents thread where I update the scores regularly: (327250.2)

:D

While I appreciate the effort you've taken to share your thoughts about your team (they are an interesting read) on a separate thread, I would really want to keep these "official records" on Official Threads only (everyone else is also sticking with this policy), so I would kindly ask you to either copy-paste that same post (that you update to your separate Swan River Serpents HGL-thread) also to the Official Thread, or please write the score of the game also on your Official Threads' box score post, if you want to keep updating scores also to your separate HGL team's thread.

Now from that we'll get easily to separate HGL team posts. I'd be tempted to start by saying that practically almost all initiative is basically a great thing for HGL, so I thank you and demars for taking an initiative.
And I do agree that it is definitely easier to see the whole picture when all posts by one manager are on one thread, but on the other hand, from my point of view, that's where the good sides of it end.
I mean having multiple separate threads in addition to Official Threads does have it's clear downsides as well, so that's why I personally haven't commented on SRSs' or EDs' HGL team page posts on your threads, as I don't see it as beneficial to spread the conversation even more (or at least don't see as much benefit in it, as you guys probably do). Having said that, I of course appreciate your initiative and read carefully all messages you guys send on them.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/13/2025 7:10:19 AM

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