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I don't know what is happening right now, but all I know is that I played last game (on Cup) with SFDC and today with LCD and in both I had a real weird thing happening: my coach gave almost all the minutes to the starters.

I don't know why, but he did. And he didn't used to do that before.

No need to mention that I lost both games.. my players couldn't even breathe in the end... (imagine on today's game, that went to overtime, and my star Marcel played the whole 53 minutes.. he didn't touch the ball in the OT)

ok.. so clearly we have overreacted here with turning up the strictness of the depth chart. I will be turning the factors back down for the next set of games (i'll be doing some more extensive testing to try to get the minutes right).

as for removing LCD... I think we do want to have two different substitution patterns.

Some users really want very strict control over minutes played for training purposes, olther users really want the most effective people to be put on the floor. I agree that you should have to set your depth chart to get that...so maybe the current LCD is too good at doing that for.

Although it should be noted that mark is right and as one user noted that in the last set of games LCD does put more preference towards the starters.

So, I dunno.. maybe all that needs to be done is have LCD be more strongly influenced by the depth chart as i've done, and then have LCD not be so biases towards the starters. Then people that have screwy depth charts will get messed up. One solution towards this would be that every place you leave a spot blank in your depth chart gets filled in with a random player and not just left out of the calculation... as long as its made clear in the tactics page that this is what will happen...

I hadn't played LCD for a longtime until today and I was actually quite pleased with the results. I thought the coach handled the players perfectly. I know that you said LCD would take into account the depth chart more and I think it did a pretty good job of it. Four of my starters played 29 mins and the other one played 22 mins due to foul trouble...all reasonable mins. Though all four starters playing the same amount of mins seems weird to me but overall I think LCD looks better! Granted this is only from one game...

One suggestion is to not make LCD default. Have SFDC or just FDC be default. This will really affect people who don't set lineups.


Edited 7/29/2007 5:15:23 AM by Vikman

One suggestion is to not make LCD default. Have SFDC or just FDC be default. This will really affect people who don't set lineups.

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One concern I have with this is what happens if we assign a user to a team right before a game, and they don't have a chance to set a lineup. But then again, their record until that point hasn't really been their own, so what's one more loss? Perhaps if it were LCD until they logged in once (also, so that the team isn't too beatable if they never sign in), and then became SFDC when they sign in the first time. That might be hard, though, we'd need to think about it.

P.S. Whenever I type SFDC, I keep wanting to type STFU by mistake ;-P

P.S. Whenever I type SFDC, I keep wanting to type STFU by mistake ;-P

Your true thoughts come out!

Yeah, I realized after typing that that some people might think that I wanted _them_ to STFU, but that's not the case... yet :-)
I just have all these acronyms mashed together in my head, and my fingers have a way of typing without my brain noticing.

I don't understand the concern for a new team that just starting. I wouldn't expect to be winning all my games right out of the gate, so I don't understand why anyone else would feel that way. I got killed in hattrick for the first few seasons, yet, here I am 3 full years later and still playing.

If a manager doesn't set a lineup they shouldn't expect to win. If a manager doesn't understand what's going on and plays the wrong players or in the wrong positions, they shouldn't expect to win either.

There's already an option for lazy or inexperienced managers, "coach picks from depth chart".

yep. i think if the SFDC has been changed back to what it was before the Cup games last thrusday, that is fine (they cannot be too strict because otherwise starters play the whole game.. basketball needs the substitutions). However I think everyone should use this strategy, and LCD, Coach picks and DC til 4th should be removed.

A user has to be responsable for setting up the team and substitutions should happen in a simple way that works the same way for everyone.

I don't agree with this idea that the user should choose between winning or training, because training is THE ONLY WAY to survive economicaly, and you need to be training ALWAYS to be able to survive, and if you want to continue to have a chance of winning in the future you have to train EFFICIENTLY so you can survive AND try to improve your team.

I believe even using SFDC is already hard enough to control all your players minutes and make sure trainees get proper training and everybody stays in good form and you win your games (keeping your best players longer on the floor). So I don't see need to create more obstacles to that, especially not these ones that only give advantage to users that don't set up their teams or don't care so much about the game (not to mention the bots).

So bottom line, let's forget the other strategies and stick with SFDC and make this one fair and correct, and then the users will have all the responsability of finding their ways to win and/or train their players.

Edited 7/29/2007 7:48:34 PM by GM-Raonne

From the game I played yesterday, the LCD seems to be working well for me. Maybe it was because I had already set my best players so the coach didn't have to change anything. But he did manage time played by each player very well. Though SFDC, like Raonne said, was fine before the last cup game. I'll have to play a few more games with LCD to really see how it is.

actually, I think it might be the opposite my friend. I think since they had made it very strict in these pst 2 games, if your reserves got a nice playing time that means yuou should start thinking if they shouldn't really be starting, cause even against really small odds they got on the floor, so your starters can't be that much better than they are, probably quite the opposite...