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230669.188 in reply to 230669.187
Date: 2/14/2013 8:19:30 AM
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Free-$8 bottle of wine = wall post, small chance of injury, 100% chance you forget to brush teeth before bed.
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230669.189 in reply to 230669.182
Date: 2/14/2013 8:46:35 AM
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If you don't have randomness, and the unknown, then you are leaving things to pure math and that is boring as F


This isn't about randomness as that cant be balanced out in other ways. Its about a feature that is random to the point it decides results, not just influences them. You can try building a deep roster and hire a level 7 doctor but that only works if your opponents superior 8 rotation without any depth takes an injury.

I'd prefer more consistent randomness than what we get from injuries. Turn up in game randomness, game shape and then turn down (or out) injuries.

Ask the Chicago Bulls about Derrick Rose ...It's a pill to swallow


In BB world it's an unnecessary pill, particularly as its implemented (why is a player only injured in-game or at least 3 games, nothing in between?). A good balance of random is required to keep us logging in, it doesn't have to be through injuries.

I'd rejoice if they found a cure for long term injuries. I, and many other Bulls fans, have watched a lot less basketball with Rose out.

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230669.190 in reply to 230669.189
Date: 2/14/2013 9:45:39 AM
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I live in Chicago ...so I know of your pain (but enjoy it since a Celts fan! The pain of a worse team, NOT Rose being out ...that is not funny business). I'm sure you have posted about this before since you are in this forum talking about it, so what are some good ideas out there to fix? I know these are all personal opinions, but not having injuries is not a good idea, so I don't want to hear it!

As for the "decides results" ...bingo. I am ok with that and that is the breaks in my opinion. Consistent randomness is not randomness at all. Again, this falls under people not liking what they can't see. I know we have injuries, but I want to know when we have them and for how long. (I want to know exactly when my players pop during OD training!etc)

You have quite a track record on this game, so I am surprised you are not on this side of the fence. Meaning, you have learned to make do, great with lineups, depth, etc ...with injuries like they are now. We all get hit with them and we all have benefited from them but being a better GM overall ....this has probably added more distance between you and your opponents just like other things have. That is me suggesting if injuries are gone ...would you be as successful on your full resume? That is not a challenge ...it is more of a compliment because you have dealt with all the things that come with having injuries on this game (doctor salaries, depth chart, "what if my center goes down..do I have coverage?).Just a thought there ...because i think the more of the randomness actually separates the more skilled from the unskilled.

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230669.191 in reply to 230669.190
Date: 2/14/2013 11:20:43 AM
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Before I start, I have some strong feelings about injuries, and I don’t have time to post any more about it, so this will be all I say, but I at least wanted to voice my opinion. I understand smart people can have different opinions on this, and I am fine with it.

My opinion, I hate injuries and they should be eliminated from BB. Why isn’t the GE random enough without injuries? I mean really, if two teams with somewhat equal talent played 10 games, every statistic would be different for each team and each player. Weaknesses would be exposed, and the better team would win most but not all of the games. That is good enough for me, and I don’t think bombshell injury randomness, that can destroy an entire season’s (or more) planning, make the game better.

As a good example, I always look back to Season 15 in III.5 (I’m sure BC remembers), when I lost my PG for the season in the 1st round of the POs (against BC), and then in the 1st game of the finals when I lost 2 SGs to injuries and an SG to an ejection, and then in the 3rd game of the finals I lost my best player to another injury. I know it is one example and it is clouded with my own personal experience, but I still think these types of outrageous displays of randomness have no place in BB.

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230669.192 in reply to 230669.183
Date: 2/14/2013 11:22:46 AM
Arizona Cacti
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I don't need to convince anyone of anything but I thought you overreacted last year and if you make snide comments, I'll call you out.

PS: You spent a lot more money than I did to be little more than an afterthought yourself. We'll see how it goes next season when I fill out my roster.

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230669.193 in reply to 230669.182
Date: 2/14/2013 11:26:56 AM
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Excellent points and actually I think injuries should remain as they are partially for those reasons. I have to wonder though... what $8 wine do you pair with burgers??

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230669.194 in reply to 230669.190
Date: 2/14/2013 11:39:27 AM
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You have quite a track record on this game, so I am surprised you are not on this side of the fence. Meaning, you have learned to make do, great with lineups, depth, etc ...with injuries like they are now. We all get hit with them and we all have benefited from them but being a better GM overall ....this has probably added more distance between you and your opponents just like other things have. That is me suggesting if injuries are gone ...would you be as successful on your full resume? That is not a challenge ...it is more of a compliment because you have dealt with all the things that come with having injuries on this game (doctor salaries, depth chart, "what if my center goes down..do I have coverage?).Just a thought there ...because i think the more of the randomness actually separates the more skilled from the unskilled.


You know I like you Burger Dude, and enjoy your posts, but there is some serious silliness in this post. Saying that a guy might not be as successful if we didn't have injuries is really innapropriate. Unless of course, you have gone back through all of his successfu seasons, and found that the majority of his success/championships have come as a result of his teams good health, and his opponents injuries.

If you are a purist so to speak, and believe in the EA Sports philosophy, "If it's in the game, it's in the game!"...okay, fine...I don't fault that. But in this instance injuries (for the most part) affect everyone equally, (some might argue they have it worse than others), so by eliminating injuries, everyone would also be affected the same. So looking back on a guys resume, it's fair to say, that any impact would have been felt across the board by everyone, and impact everyone similarly.

That said, my gripe about injuries like i previously stated is that multiple facets of this game are tied to a players minutes on the court. Minutes on the court affect Game Shape, Training, Experience, in addition to ratings, team performance, and the end game result. So an injury makes it impossible to achieve success in any of the 1st 3 thingso on that list, and hampers the 2nd 3 things on that list.

Then, on top of that, this game is played in real time....so like Window Lickers said, you can go an entire season, dominating or playing excellent, and a random injury can negate nearly 4 months ( 4 real life months) of effort, energy, and success. Again, this is a game, it's supposed to be fun....all that does is piss people off, suck the fun out of it, and in some cases make them quit.

Back in Season 17, Pappy all but had the finals wrapped up....He had the best team in the league, and an injury in the first minute of the game totally changed that game, and he ended up losing by a single point on his own home court. The team that beat him really didn't expect to win, wasn't ready to promote to the NBBA, relegated the following season and is now in D3.

Just like real life, shit happens...but goodness, again, this is supposed to be a fun game...and when injuries change the entire dynamic of a game, league, or season, I just don't find any fun in that. Some great past BB players have quit because untimely injuries derailed months of work. So it just seems to me if you have something, like injuries....and you'll never hear the following response "Ohhhh man, you should have seen my game last, it was so cool...we were right there, about to win, and then one of my players got injured, and we lost the glame....Man that was realistic....I love it!".....and on top of that, actually causes some people to quit the game...I think some of change should be made.

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230669.195 in reply to 230669.192
Date: 2/14/2013 11:50:39 AM
Arizona Desert Storm
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...arizona (the real one...)
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Glad to see you're not still bitter about last season.

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Way to attempt to straighten out your image and make everyone think you're still not a prick.

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I don't need to convince anyone of anything but I thought you overreacted last year and if you make snide comments, I'll call you out.

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Children....Don't make me pull this car over!!

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Date: 2/14/2013 12:04:46 PM
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Nothing I said is inappropriate. I think I explained it out what I meant ..but just in case. I am NOT suggesting the reason he is one of best ever is because of injuries. Haha. I am saying it is another component that can add to someone's success.

The more things to worry about (variables) helps a more skilled GM. If we only had to worry about 5 players and 48 minutes ....anyone could be good. Now add training ...well GM has to be better. Now add ....budget ....GM has to be better. Now add (etc). The more elements added = the more skill a GM has to have to be the best. Injuries is just another aspect for me personally. Window Lickers...to comment on that season...was hit the hardest I have seen. But at the same time, Window Lickers is helping my point as well. Look at him now. He is always very good, an excellent manager and it didn't stop him. Sure you could say his talent was going to get him there anyway and only a matter of time, but again, just something to think about here.

I see injuries as just another aspect of the game and you have to do things to develop around it, just like in real-life. Let's go back to Derrick Rose for a minute. Bulls grab guys to hold them over, figuring in budget, should we get rid of someone to get under cap next year, set up for future run, (x1000). They don't get to say ...let's get rid of injuries because its not fair. I hate comparing to "real-life" by the way.

Yes change it ....but how? Anyone can complain. I do agree to tweak it, but its 10x harder to come up with something. Here is my idea .... (and im sure its been said before but I take full credit even if you show me proof someone else said it).

Have injury ratings somehow. Say ...John Madden football and "INJ" attribute. If the guy is a "50" with injuries ....you know he is more likely to be injured and you can plan accordingly. He could get injured ..he may not ..but at least you know where you stand with that individual . Now I can give King Drive his sort of controlled randomness with this. If the person is 93 for injury ..then you know he is pretty healthy dude and less likely to be injured.

Another way to help and sings more of a Buzzerbeater tune is to add a training thing for him to help with injuries, like stamina or Free throw. Or maybe just have stamina make injuries better at the same time as a sort of lump sum. Each stamina pops ....less likely to be injured. And I have no idea if buzzerbeater already has something in place for injuries on who is more likely to be injured or if 100% complete random at all times. .......just brainstorming my sweet dudes.

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Date: 2/14/2013 12:23:29 PM
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Cacti ....$8 wine goes with anything. It goes especially well with a second bottle of $8 wine. Oh my god ...how much did I drink last night?

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230669.198 in reply to 230669.196
Date: 2/14/2013 1:16:24 PM
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Nothing I said is inappropriate. I think I explained it out what I meant ..but just in case. I am NOT suggesting the reason he is one of best ever is because of injuries. Haha. I am saying it is another component that can add to someone's success.


fwiw, i didnt read it as a shot at me, so no worries. shout to j for having my back just in case tho *fist bump*

ive won but i dont think that makes me the greatest manager. i started early, got ahead from the few that started at the same time and i have managed my competitive advantage as well as I could. there's better managers than me in BB and i def havent figured out how to manage injuries better than others. it sure helps having better players and more money though.

As for the "decides results" ...bingo. I am ok with that and that is the breaks in my opinion.


thats what it comes down to, so we're at 'agree to disagree', which is fair

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
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