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230669.184 in reply to 230669.182
Date: 2/14/2013 12:02:34 AM
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I'm glad you splurged on a weekday, the day before the "big VD" no less.

Something I forgot to add, by making it a per game injury penalty rather than a per week penalty, it adds another tactical planning dimension. Do you go all super old players with the experience for cheap with a small squad like Reston this season? The injury being per game means not playing in a friendly or cup match would/could prolong the time the player is out. Of course, this punishes teams that try to have fewer players, but better players to win league and disregard cup/ training. I don't think that is a bad thing. If nobody trains players, then there is nobody to buy/ upgrade/ replace/ etc. Training is not only important to the individual team, but to the game as a whole. That said, I haven't had a real training program in a few seasons, usually I just train people out of position. The past two weeks I tried one position training and each week d/t injuries and fouling and blow outs, couldn't get 2 people with 48 mins and had to switch to 2 pos training...

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230669.186 in reply to 230669.185
Date: 2/14/2013 12:15:12 AM
Arizona Desert Storm
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but I think this was the best post of the season.


hmmm, I thought this (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thr...) was the best post of the season :-)

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230669.187 in reply to 230669.185
Date: 2/14/2013 12:19:34 AM
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I wholeheartedly disagree with the content, but I think this was the best post of the season.

Funny, I wholeheartedly agree with Burger Chef's content, but it was a gawdawful wall of text post.

Group hug!
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230669.188 in reply to 230669.187
Date: 2/14/2013 8:19:30 AM
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Free-$8 bottle of wine = wall post, small chance of injury, 100% chance you forget to brush teeth before bed.
$9-$12 = up to two paragraph indentations
$13-$19 = a semi-normal looking post with a few run on sentences
$20+ = complete normalcy


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230669.189 in reply to 230669.182
Date: 2/14/2013 8:46:35 AM
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If you don't have randomness, and the unknown, then you are leaving things to pure math and that is boring as F


This isn't about randomness as that cant be balanced out in other ways. Its about a feature that is random to the point it decides results, not just influences them. You can try building a deep roster and hire a level 7 doctor but that only works if your opponents superior 8 rotation without any depth takes an injury.

I'd prefer more consistent randomness than what we get from injuries. Turn up in game randomness, game shape and then turn down (or out) injuries.

Ask the Chicago Bulls about Derrick Rose ...It's a pill to swallow


In BB world it's an unnecessary pill, particularly as its implemented (why is a player only injured in-game or at least 3 games, nothing in between?). A good balance of random is required to keep us logging in, it doesn't have to be through injuries.

I'd rejoice if they found a cure for long term injuries. I, and many other Bulls fans, have watched a lot less basketball with Rose out.

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
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230669.190 in reply to 230669.189
Date: 2/14/2013 9:45:39 AM
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I live in Chicago ...so I know of your pain (but enjoy it since a Celts fan! The pain of a worse team, NOT Rose being out ...that is not funny business). I'm sure you have posted about this before since you are in this forum talking about it, so what are some good ideas out there to fix? I know these are all personal opinions, but not having injuries is not a good idea, so I don't want to hear it!

As for the "decides results" ...bingo. I am ok with that and that is the breaks in my opinion. Consistent randomness is not randomness at all. Again, this falls under people not liking what they can't see. I know we have injuries, but I want to know when we have them and for how long. (I want to know exactly when my players pop during OD training!etc)

You have quite a track record on this game, so I am surprised you are not on this side of the fence. Meaning, you have learned to make do, great with lineups, depth, etc ...with injuries like they are now. We all get hit with them and we all have benefited from them but being a better GM overall ....this has probably added more distance between you and your opponents just like other things have. That is me suggesting if injuries are gone ...would you be as successful on your full resume? That is not a challenge ...it is more of a compliment because you have dealt with all the things that come with having injuries on this game (doctor salaries, depth chart, "what if my center goes down..do I have coverage?).Just a thought there ...because i think the more of the randomness actually separates the more skilled from the unskilled.

Last edited by Burger Chef at 2/14/2013 9:56:20 AM

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230669.191 in reply to 230669.190
Date: 2/14/2013 11:20:43 AM
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Before I start, I have some strong feelings about injuries, and I don’t have time to post any more about it, so this will be all I say, but I at least wanted to voice my opinion. I understand smart people can have different opinions on this, and I am fine with it.

My opinion, I hate injuries and they should be eliminated from BB. Why isn’t the GE random enough without injuries? I mean really, if two teams with somewhat equal talent played 10 games, every statistic would be different for each team and each player. Weaknesses would be exposed, and the better team would win most but not all of the games. That is good enough for me, and I don’t think bombshell injury randomness, that can destroy an entire season’s (or more) planning, make the game better.

As a good example, I always look back to Season 15 in III.5 (I’m sure BC remembers), when I lost my PG for the season in the 1st round of the POs (against BC), and then in the 1st game of the finals when I lost 2 SGs to injuries and an SG to an ejection, and then in the 3rd game of the finals I lost my best player to another injury. I know it is one example and it is clouded with my own personal experience, but I still think these types of outrageous displays of randomness have no place in BB.

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230669.192 in reply to 230669.183
Date: 2/14/2013 11:22:46 AM
Arizona Cacti
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I don't need to convince anyone of anything but I thought you overreacted last year and if you make snide comments, I'll call you out.

PS: You spent a lot more money than I did to be little more than an afterthought yourself. We'll see how it goes next season when I fill out my roster.

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230669.193 in reply to 230669.182
Date: 2/14/2013 11:26:56 AM
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Excellent points and actually I think injuries should remain as they are partially for those reasons. I have to wonder though... what $8 wine do you pair with burgers??

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230669.194 in reply to 230669.190
Date: 2/14/2013 11:39:27 AM
Arizona Desert Storm
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You have quite a track record on this game, so I am surprised you are not on this side of the fence. Meaning, you have learned to make do, great with lineups, depth, etc ...with injuries like they are now. We all get hit with them and we all have benefited from them but being a better GM overall ....this has probably added more distance between you and your opponents just like other things have. That is me suggesting if injuries are gone ...would you be as successful on your full resume? That is not a challenge ...it is more of a compliment because you have dealt with all the things that come with having injuries on this game (doctor salaries, depth chart, "what if my center goes down..do I have coverage?).Just a thought there ...because i think the more of the randomness actually separates the more skilled from the unskilled.


You know I like you Burger Dude, and enjoy your posts, but there is some serious silliness in this post. Saying that a guy might not be as successful if we didn't have injuries is really innapropriate. Unless of course, you have gone back through all of his successfu seasons, and found that the majority of his success/championships have come as a result of his teams good health, and his opponents injuries.

If you are a purist so to speak, and believe in the EA Sports philosophy, "If it's in the game, it's in the game!"...okay, fine...I don't fault that. But in this instance injuries (for the most part) affect everyone equally, (some might argue they have it worse than others), so by eliminating injuries, everyone would also be affected the same. So looking back on a guys resume, it's fair to say, that any impact would have been felt across the board by everyone, and impact everyone similarly.

That said, my gripe about injuries like i previously stated is that multiple facets of this game are tied to a players minutes on the court. Minutes on the court affect Game Shape, Training, Experience, in addition to ratings, team performance, and the end game result. So an injury makes it impossible to achieve success in any of the 1st 3 thingso on that list, and hampers the 2nd 3 things on that list.

Then, on top of that, this game is played in real time....so like Window Lickers said, you can go an entire season, dominating or playing excellent, and a random injury can negate nearly 4 months ( 4 real life months) of effort, energy, and success. Again, this is a game, it's supposed to be fun....all that does is piss people off, suck the fun out of it, and in some cases make them quit.

Back in Season 17, Pappy all but had the finals wrapped up....He had the best team in the league, and an injury in the first minute of the game totally changed that game, and he ended up losing by a single point on his own home court. The team that beat him really didn't expect to win, wasn't ready to promote to the NBBA, relegated the following season and is now in D3.

Just like real life, shit happens...but goodness, again, this is supposed to be a fun game...and when injuries change the entire dynamic of a game, league, or season, I just don't find any fun in that. Some great past BB players have quit because untimely injuries derailed months of work. So it just seems to me if you have something, like injuries....and you'll never hear the following response "Ohhhh man, you should have seen my game last, it was so cool...we were right there, about to win, and then one of my players got injured, and we lost the glame....Man that was realistic....I love it!".....and on top of that, actually causes some people to quit the game...I think some of change should be made.

Last edited by Jason at 2/14/2013 12:01:25 PM

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