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152411.179 in reply to 152411.169
Date: 6/20/2011 3:21:23 PM
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Okay guys, this debate is over between you two. Go to your seperate corners, and let it go. Its gone way past whats okay or appropriate for the public forums.

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152411.180 in reply to 152411.176
Date: 6/20/2011 4:14:18 PM
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Statistics are not the only factors that go into what player is better. In my opinion ,Westbrook is a lesser version of Rose. It's all about the decision making when you are the Point Guard, and Westbrook consistently makes poor decisions. CP3, Williams and Rose are interchangeable at the 1-3 spots of best point guard, after that it's Westbrook, Rondo, and Nash.

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152411.181 in reply to 152411.180
Date: 6/20/2011 4:30:30 PM
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See, I think Rose makes all the same bad decisions Westbrook does. Just look at RW in the Dallas series and DRose in the Miami series. I think Rose just got over hyped into an MVP this year. I like both RW and DRose as players though and their athleticism is ridiculous. You are right about statistics, but in the case of these two they are very telling. Plus if you watch how both responded to the same defense thrown at them the results were very similar. DRose just wasn't thrown under the bus as much by the media even though he was doing the same stuff.

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152411.182 in reply to 152411.181
Date: 6/20/2011 5:11:14 PM
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152411.183 in reply to 152411.181
Date: 6/20/2011 5:54:44 PM
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Rose averages less turnovers than Westbrook for one. Westbrook also has an elite player on his team(Durant) while Rose has no other consistent scorer on the team.Rose has to shoot a lot due to the failure of the Bulls management and the inconsistency of Carlos Boozer/ Luol Deng. Westbrook constantly takes quick shots at crucial moments of the game when he should be passing it to Durant. Westbrook was thrown under the bus because he often cost his team wins with his "I'm an elite player, let be the hero instead of Durant" mentality.

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152411.184 in reply to 152411.183
Date: 6/20/2011 7:56:06 PM
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1. Kobe
2. Dwight Howard
3. Durant
4. Lebron James
5. Dwayne Wade
6. Melo
7. CP3
8. Dirk Nowitki
9. D-Rose
10. Amare Stodimare

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152411.185 in reply to 152411.181
Date: 6/20/2011 9:38:08 PM
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I think Rose just got over hyped into an MVP this year.

I guess I could see this. But at the same time I have to agree that D Rose was the MVP this season. The Bulls were able to claim the number 1 seed even with the injuries to Noah and Boozer. Who else would you consider for the award?



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152411.186 in reply to 152411.183
Date: 6/20/2011 10:41:55 PM
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The difference was not great for TO's between the two. The difference in assists was just as great in favor of RW. The thing about RW is that he HAS to score for the Thunder to be successful just like DRose does. Durant is a great scorer. However, Rose has more options than RW. Westbrook literally has nobody besides Durant for most of the season. James Harden came on certain games in the playoffs and was pretty good off the bench during the season, but he was inconsistent AND played a lot of his minutes with RW on the bench. I think people over analyzed the playoffs and threw Russ under the bus for them. If you watched the regular season closely you would understand a little better I think...and maybe the same could be said of me for DRose. I understand that KD is far better than anyone Rose has, BUT I think Deng, Boozer, Noah, Bogans, Brewer, Watson, etc... are better overall at scoring than Harden, Ibaka, Perkins, Sefalosha, etc... so it evens out pretty well IMO.

As for the "I'm an elite player, lets be the hero instead of Durant" mentality...I just don't see that. If you watch the end of games clearly you will see that for one, Brooks can't call an end of the game play, and two, Durant moves terrible without the ball! KD should take the last shot, no doubt. However, when he took the last shot in the playoff games you were watching it was usually 5 or 6 feet beyond the 3 pt line and the success rate was zero...just like Russ. It's really hard to blame RW when KD doesn't know how to get open and when he is not set up to be successful. I agree Durant is the better option, but I disagree that RW has the attitude you stated. I think the ENTIRE Thunder team is very young and needs to grow up to win at an elite level like the Western Conference Finals and many of the late game breakdowns came because there was little offensive flow and RW was hung out to dry at the end of shot clocks. I'm not saying he is infallible at all, but I do think RW matches up very closely with Rose at this point in their careers.

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152411.187 in reply to 152411.185
Date: 6/20/2011 10:49:12 PM
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Dwight Howard. Kevin Durant. CP3 because he did it without ANY help...especially when West went down. (not saying he is the best overall player, but meant more to his team this season.). I would even give it to Lebron over him in the regular season. I know Lebron had Wade, but he also was an absolute beast on defense. I say this even though Lebron is my absolute least favorite player.

If I had to pick 1, I pick Dwight Howard. Without him, Orlando is absolutely terrible. The bulls are probably bad too without Rose, but the difference DW makes on offense AND defense is astonishing.

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152411.188 in reply to 152411.186
Date: 6/21/2011 6:34:40 AM
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You brought up the difference in rebounds earlier which also was not great either. I think turnovers are more important with a PG than rebounds are. Again the difference in a assists are irrelevant to me because it's just .5(7.7 to 8.2).And since guys can piled up on assists nowadays(Lebron gets like 7 assists per game), I think anything under 9 assists is nothing special. Westbrook has more weapons on his team(ie. Durant). Deng, Boozer, Noah, Bogans(terrible), Watson,etc. are probably equal to the the guys you listed, because Boozer and Deng underachieves. And when you add Durant that tips the scale.

As far as your 2nd paragraph, I may have exaggerated with Westbrook's mentality. I also don't see why Durant doesn't get the ball more in situations like that, it's the NBA, Durant doesn't have to be wide open, you just gotta get him the ball and let him create a shot. And as far as the lack of offensive flow, that's usually the PG's fault especially with a good offence team like OKC. I think you are making a lot of excuses for RW. I'll take Rose any day over him, though it is close.

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152411.189 in reply to 152411.188
Date: 6/21/2011 7:21:15 AM
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Hmmm I do agree with the other guy that Rose has more options. The first 5 of the Thunder pretty much only has 1 offensive option besides RW himself (Durant). Rose might not have a great guy like Durant with him, but at least he has several players to which he can pass.

So I don't agree at all that Deng, Boozer, Noah are equal offensively to Sefolosha, Ibaka, Perkins


Sefolosha - terrible offensively (5.1 PPG........ as a starter)
Ibaka - starting to improve on the offensive end now...but still not good (9.9 PPG)
Perkins - can hardly score (also 5.1 PPG during the season at OKC)

vs

Deng (17.4 PPG during the season)
Boozer (17.5 PPG during the season)
Noah (11.7 PPG during the season)
Bogans (4.4 PPG during the season)



Only when Harden is on the floor do the Thunder really have a 3rd option.

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