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From: SM

To: Coco
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Date: 2/11/2012 7:36:53 PM
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But just to plug it as a general defense of ID, my point is this:
I know that your salary is low (and Ive been thinking how much money you've been accumulating in these seasons!): still, if I were to add 200k for a temporary run, I'd add it to the inside defense, not anywhere else. The reasoning is that the teams that can beat you are ones that can work around your OD. And if a team successfully works around that OD you're still left vulnerable. (the discussion between me and wozz was back in the days of your 200k guard acquisition, and yes we were baffled by the LI :D)


I have a feeling I'd gain more from adding rebounding if I were to pick an inside skill to improve. Actually, even as far as the NT goes I don't think it would be a bad idea to trade a few pops in IS or ID for RB. If we're to become one of the top NTs in the world, we can't afford to be outrebounded.

From: Isaiah

To: Coco
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Date: 2/11/2012 8:44:24 PM
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Yep...as much as ID could be costly and there may be ways around it we still have to pump ID along with RB.

From: Panic
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Date: 2/11/2012 8:52:33 PM
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Let's talk mTIEs...

From: shikago
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208821.146 in reply to 208821.145
Date: 2/11/2012 10:27:40 PM
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Questions for all those still debating:

#1 -- Of the 5 remaining candidates, "USA DoMiNaTeS" really jumps out. The name alone conveys confidence. Something most if not all debating on this thread seem to lack. (Not to mention patriotism.) Why should we vote for any of you over a candidate that doesn't need to pander for votes? (& you do realize that any person running is opposing USA DoMiNaTeS-tion)

#2 -- Do you think John Quincy Adams would be for the use of Look Inside by a national team? If yes, why? If not, why not?




Last edited by shikago at 2/11/2012 10:29:27 PM

From: Azariah

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Date: 2/11/2012 10:36:34 PM
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JQA would be strictly against Look Inside because he is a proper gentleman that would never consider peeping.

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Date: 2/11/2012 10:54:08 PM
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Question for the remaining candidates, how much do you value shot blocking?

Which player would you rather take, and why?
Player A = 18/11/19/18
Player B = 18/18/19/11

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Date: 2/11/2012 10:55:59 PM
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Im not a candidate, but I do not think anyone would take player A over B.

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208821.150 in reply to 208821.127
Date: 2/12/2012 1:01:24 AM
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if there's some new theory you've got, that's a different point. excluding things like elastic effect/cross-training/new theories that can make training effects non-linear, coco is right... training fits squarely into the linear systems analysis world of math/engineering.


I stand corrected. (hopefully the only victory coco gets out of this process )

which strategy would you recommend to managers who draft potentially valuable trainees? #1 obviously hurts the u21 to some degree, so do you have separate instructions for NT prospects vs u21 ones, as magiker alluded to? or do you think one of these is unequivocally better?


It depends...

If the person is training a specialty player or a player that is going to need more secondary training such as a LI PG or a PF or maybe even a R&G Center I would say to go with option 1...

however, as i stated before, specialty players aren't going to win us anything if we don't have them mixed in with what i call the meat and potatoes type NT players... so i would tell the majority of managers to train under option 2.

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Date: 2/12/2012 1:09:58 AM
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I love shot blocking. However I would push for great ID and if good SB comes with it then it is definitely a plus. Of your two models I would pick B but I really would like for triple 19s ;). And then of course the secondaries would be a key too.

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208821.152 in reply to 208821.135
Date: 2/12/2012 1:42:48 AM
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Anyhow, let me ask a less strategic question. What skills have we been under utilizing that may allow us to compete with the best in the world?


My answer to this question is 2 fold....

For our guards i believe that IS is GROSSLY undertrained. Coco talked about stealing points to try to get us up there with the elite... having guards with IS i think would get us a minimum of 3-5 buckets a game as guards randomly get O-Rebounds and try to put them back in and are very rarely successful... If we had guards with say strong or better we would be drastically more effective.

For our bigs I believe its a combination of driving and free throws (for when they draw fouls). I've played around with driving and having more and less with some of my big guys... higher driving caused more fouls to be drawn (which could help us get other big guys in foul trouble) and they also shot a higher % from the field.

Also, I am very intrigue by SM's view on ID. Do you agree or disagree and why?


On the NT level I don't believe you can get your OD to a point that you can have the same advantage because you face multiple guards that are elite.... The reason it has worked so well IMO for SM is because he has a NT level OD going against teams that don't have multiple NT level guards if any at all.

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