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nope don't mind at let me load em up.........
(http://lien.buzzer-manager.com/a27xpu85q8a4gktct6lenu3b2b...) Coleman

Coleman been heavy train and since he's the elder he trains first, Delong was just a piece of luck that turned to my greatest steal so far in my BB career.

Delong (http://lien.buzzer-manager.com/ygrwkr7h07gp3snlab3qnj7u23...)

Coleman I less worry about as now I seen that at most Coleman will hit 55-60k salary....which is still manageable in USA D4...........but Delong is the worry now.....yes he only has 1 9 cause these playoffs I've been trying to get over the edge with some stamina traing and then had to do a wake up call of GS training once I stupidly forgot to set my lineup. also he was bought a couple of weeks after Coleman otherwise he would've had 9 IS/9 ID......but hey "defense wins championships"

so thats how they're going right now.....and yeah I am aware that once I hit higher divisions like D3 USA I will have to adapt to being a better defense......I will though try to bear down the scoring a little...but hey I like scoring. anyways thats Colelong right now.

Coleman behind cause when I started he was my only hpe of a fracnhise player that's why he looks like a 19 year old right now. And Delong I bought late and with somehow lesser pops (idk why) he's like he is.....but hopefully these lesser pops turn into many pops next season as I am hoping to have Delong at the prolific arena this season. and Delong's RB so low is a plus cause of salary.....I'll train that later due to elastic effect. and somehow I just got players with good PA so that they can dish it out if needed. and also their OD both is a plus I want to get them both at 9+

these are my cornerstones right here.........and I ain't letting them go! So hopefully I can afford them both for many seasons to come, and I still intend to have delong at near 100k salary, to be competitive in all divisions......

remember Tough, it is a marathon not a sprint! I think you are going from 1 extreme to the other and it is going to hurt you in the long run..

Yes you want young trainees, and i agree with Manon those 2 guys are well behind.. But you want to balance your roster with a mix of youth and experience. Plan your training for this upcoming season... What level trainer are you using?

If you are going to focus on training inside skills,buy 28-32 year old guards with salaries you can afford, and let them carry your team through the relegation battle, whilst you train your inside skills.. If you have all young players with no experience, you will get smoked. You can get some quality players over 30 for very cheap prices that will help you stay up!

Dont be in hurry to spend your cash now... Tomorrow is a new season.. Wait to see where you end up and what you have to work with.. You might just get lucky and promote to a weak conference and be able to finish mid table whilst making a tonne of cash.

Dont put all your hopes into the draft... It will only end in disappointment.. You are in a reasonably active league and you have last pick.. Chances are, all the good stuff is gone well before you get to pick.. I finished top in my league, and havent spent a single point in the draft knowing that by the time my pick comes around, there wont be anything left! Scouting points carry over.. Your best option would have been to scout, play lady luck in the draft, then if things dont work out next season and you finish on the bottom, you have a tonne of points to spend!

again Coleman was my original at 19 and Delong was bought 2 trainng weeks later they are only behind cause I've also been doing GS/Stamina strategy otherwise if I had ths champioship in the bag you'd see skills increased by 2 or even 3......Coleman would be at 10 RB and Delong wuld be at 6 already....but trusr me this will work out, I ain't letting them go. Coleman yes.....very very behind due to his starting age at my team creation and then Delong was just a wow-SS-at50k!? guy. But at least he got good ID< which is one good thing going to S21.

I plan on doing rebounding and some ID/IS to here.

Coleman: 12IS, 12 ID, 11 RB, idk SB
Delong: 9 IS, 12 ID, 8 RB, 8 SB

Then I'll train some SB to stop Coleman from being some how foul prone (I think he's trying to block shots but gets called for the fouls) so anyways yes they're far behind and I bet some teams might even tell me to just sell them for 300k each then use it to buy 2 really really fresh 18 yr olds out the gate but hey......these are my cornerstones here...........so I'm keeping them...anyways it'd be harder these days to get a guy like Delong for less than 200k in the TL. (if they were fresh)

Last edited by tough at 8/18/2012 5:23:43 PM

i never said sell em, just said they are behind. If that is your plan for training, then buy decent guards, let them carry the team whilst you train the bigs.. It is all about balance!

Considering you are training inside skills, you should be selling :

Maxime Delvallée
Henrique Forjaz

They are the 2 most expensive guys on your roster, and are basically redundant as you have trainees playing in those positions.. Once playoffs are over, get rid of them...

Wait until you see where you land next season, then invest that money into guards...Buy a good PG and SG without blowing the budget so you can also improve arena. players are cheap at the moment, so you should be able to find something, even if they are above 30, that experience will help on the court!

Shot block is a tough 1.. i would focus on the primaries IS/ID/RB and bank on 2ndary pops for now for SB.. Forget stamina for now, they are young, why waste their most valuable training years on stam? Get those primaries popping whilst they are young, train stam when you need it. Manage your minutes, and you never have to train Game shape.. Also i wouldnt call Coleman foul prone.. 2.1 fouls per game?

i never said sell em, just said they are behind. If that is your plan for training, then buy decent guards, let them carry the team whilst you train the bigs.. It is all about balance!

Considering you are training inside skills, you should be selling :

Maxime Delvallée
Henrique Forjaz

They are the 2 most expensive guys on your roster, and are basically redundant as you have trainees playing in those positions.. Once playoffs are over, get rid of them...

Wait until you see where you land next season, then invest that money into guards...Buy a good PG and SG without blowing the budget so you can also improve arena. players are cheap at the moment, so you should be able to find something, even if they are above 30, that experience will help on the court!

Shot block is a tough 1.. i would focus on the primaries IS/ID/RB and bank on 2ndary pops for now for SB.. Forget stamina for now, they are young, why waste their most valuable training years on stam? Get those primaries popping whilst they are young, train stam when you need it. Manage your minutes, and you never have to train Game shape.. Also i wouldnt call Coleman foul prone.. 2.1 fouls per game?

yeah........I made a mistake of not setting my lineup, was worried of very serious drops, so trained GS and actually got a couple of pops on 2 crucial players..... also the bold meant that I am selling those two, along with Catandil and Dekis, so that I could bank some cash. I already have 1 guard in mind now I just need 1 more. that'll be when my arena hits 9k. SO i should avoid relegation and hopefully somehow get a profitable draftee.

Also Delvallee is a SF, not PF, he has unreasonably high ID so that is why he is mistaken for PF.....he has 12 JS, 8 IS, 9 OD, 11 ID and you see what I mean............pretty decent playoff pickup

Last edited by tough at 8/18/2012 6:19:11 PM

I didn't read any messages from above so sorry if this was already said, if you want to promote to D3 right away(which is a bad idea, I will explain why later) buy old guys and concentrate on training/GS/enthusiasm. Not too different from D5 right?

If you just want to stay alive, which is not hard, in D4 all you have to do is have good GS and maintain your enthusiasm so it is high for every game, I usually TIE every game unless I'm fighting for a certain spot. You can do this with the exact same team as you have now. For example last season, one team came in from D5 with a 70-90k salary team, I don't remember what exactly, but it was relatively low compared to the top teams. However this team was able to obtain the 4th seed in the playoffs!
Remember, even though this is D4, which is harder than D5, managers still don't understand how GS affects how a player plays and how enthusiasm helps the team win games that may not be winnable.

Just like someone said before, it also depends on what type of D4 you get in. If it is a D4 where all managers are D3 ready, you may have to invest in some young but well trained players. This allows you to have the same team for many seasons, if you don't promote at first.

Btw, I don't know if it was you who said it, but 1 D5 manager said that he did not care about defense. Defense is very important.

You will also want to improve your arena, to promote into D3 it is recommended to have a 13k~ish arena, which is what I don't have.

I'm going to jump in here because I'm in a similar situation as tough. Some general questions about D4:

(a) What kind of TV revenue can be expected? Is it the same for all D4 leagues?
(b) My merchandising revenue stunk (calculated sacrifice to try to improve my team). Will winning a D5 Championship help significantly? Winning, not even consistent winning, hasn't seemed to compensate for the loss of native players from a merchandising standpoint--at least so far. Does the Championship part of it reverse that trend?
(c) What kind of ticket prices would a D5 League winner be able to support in D4? Or does that depend on the size of one's Arena (i.e., supply/demand)?

Thanks guys!

(a) http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thread=218284&m=1
A list of some USA D4 TV Contracts.
(b) Yes you will get a merchandise boost...well I did, if you don't try getting more American players
(c) Since you just won a championship, most likely you will sell out every game even if you are losing until the All-Star break. Btw you should improve on your Arena.

Thanks man!

I had to sacrifice nationality to get talent if I was going to compete for a title. I knew it would hurt merchandising, but it was a trade-off that seemed worth it. I just joined this game about 6 weeks ago, so I didn't realize that winning immediately wasn't necessarily good strategy. Having said that, I tried not to go overboard on players from the TL so I was able to put in at least some money into the Arena. Considering my short tenure with the team, I think we've done about as well as we could balancing building it up with fielding a competitive team, although it's definitely a priority when promotion money comes in!