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Date: 4/1/2018 7:30:36 PM
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I'm interested in training guys to run a Princeton offense. Has anyone had success running it? And what do I need in my players? I'm assuming I'd need high passing on my bigmen and I'd need inside shot and jump range on all my players.

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Date: 4/2/2018 9:55:49 AM
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I'm interested in training guys to run a Princeton offense. Has anyone had success running it? And what do I need in my players? I'm assuming I'd need high passing on my bigmen and I'd need inside shot and jump range on all my players.


Anyone who has bad handling or passing will turn the ball over a lot.
Anyone who has bad jump range or jump shot will miss a lot of shots.
Anyone who has high driving but low inside shot will go about 3-17 on driving layups.

It's an offense that's deceptively simple in this game - if you have anyone that can make it fail, it will fail spectacularly. If everyone is well-suited to it, it can work really well, although you'll still have six minute stretches where you score maybe two points.

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Date: 4/2/2018 11:49:52 AM
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Good honest answer! Haha. Sounds like there’s some kinks to be worked out with it still.

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Date: 4/4/2018 12:04:19 PM
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Anyone who has bad handling or passing will turn the ball over a lot.
I think this should be investigated. I have a player with 1 HA and 6 PA and his Ast numbers are higher than TOs (which are not high anyway). He plays C so he does not do much ball handling, however I think there is a case for HA being a bit overrated in that respect. You can also see 18 HA / 15 PA players making bad passes repeatedly in a game.


Yes, but what kind of A:TO does he give you when you play Princeton against a team of similar quality to your own? I don't have a lot of data points with handling or passing that low in my Princeton history, since my current crop of guards played basically Patient when they were getting their SB training. The only example I can reasonably use is Michael Klein, who I know was drafted with 1 in both PA and HA. He also played only in friendlies/Cup games early in his career and I did a lot of 1v1 and passing along with pressure his first few seasons. By the time I hit the almost exclusive Princeton run (seasons 21-25, roughly), he was already up to 5 PA/6 HA and so wasn't quite the disaster that I thought when I let someone talk me into keeping and training him.

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Date: 4/4/2018 11:29:16 PM
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And here you are posting anecdotal evidence in a thread about the Princeton offense. Where people who are interested in the game come for help.

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Date: 4/5/2018 9:54:37 AM
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A won't get you assists and it's debatable to what extent it will reduce the turnovers (which is why I replied to hrudey). It is very pertinent to this thread that HA may not be important at all while PA certainly is. There are plenty of players with very high HA and no PA, perhaps you could study those and tell us how they perform in both Ast and TOs. I will help you out, check the following who are the reverse of my player:


I think the problem I have with contributing more is that for pretty much the entire time I've played this game until this recent experimentation, I've been obsessive about making sure my guys don't have low PA or HA, and I'd always been among top two or three in fewest turnovers. Most of the low HA/PA evidence I have is anecdotal from Klein, who was 1/1. Hitchcock started 7 HA/1PA, and he's still only 10 HA/3 PA, which could lend more support to the "bad passing is bad" aspect but it a poor testbed for the other side.

The reason I mention the Princeton specifically is that the flow skills of the C in particular do tend to matter more than in most offenses. Passing on big men is extremely useful at all times, of course - the C assist to the PF for a dunk is likely one of the easiest baskets to convert. But Princeton seems to use that even more on passes back to the exterior as well as passing to people for driving attempts, which unfortunately seems to be way too frequent with a solid passing C and a guard/SF who has high driving and low IS.