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I'm sorry but your knowledge about basketball is laughable at best. To claim AI is better than Kobe, or that AI is in the top 10... he's playing in Turkey for a reason, it proves how little you know. Also, the best players not only needs to be a great player on the court they need to not be a distraction off it so the team can focus. Lebron was hated and not wanted on the USA team for a reason, he's kind of a prick! Everybody knows it except his worshipers (like yourself). Once you understand more come talk to me.

P.S. Kobe has been dubbed the best player today and the generation by countless of experts (that means they know a lot and their opinion counts for something). Also the two best players of all-time (Magic and Jordan) have publically proclaimed Kobe > Lebron.

P.S.S. Wade carried a terrible team to the finals and got a ring (Lebron still doesn't have one of those... funny how that keeps popping up... probably because it is important in talking about the best players :/ ). The team he carried was far worse than Lebron's team. Wade is a much better player than Lebron, he just is frequently injured so people often think he is worse because he plays injured. If you don't believe me about Wade, go look at the stats of those final games! The best players win the hard games, Lebron James gives up and therefor will never be the best player. Wade and Durant will always overshadow him.

I think you go a little to much against Lebron but you definitely know more then Mr. Lebron worshipper. I don't think Wade is better then Lebron but he has played better in the playoffs. The team he had was slightly better then any Lebron team because Wade had a good Shaq and a bunch of role player/veterans. Kobe is the number 1 right now but I think Kevin Durant, Lebron, Wade, Howard, or Chris Paul could be the #1 in the next few years more likely it being Durant or Lebron.

I hate Lebron but I don't let it change my argument. He is about as clutch as shaq is good with free-throws. He's a beast of a player... When it doesn't count. If you want a player to dominate for the regular season and 3 quarters in a tight game then Lebron is the best but if you wanted a closer then Kobe, Wade, Durant. That's my knock on Lebron mostly (also off the court duche-baggery <--- am I allowed to say that? If not sorry about that, I just really like that word lol) and if he shows he can become clutch I will consider him to be above Kobe or Wade or Durant because to me that is the most important attribute a player can have. Look at Kobe's numbers, they aren't phenomenal however if you think about Kobe in the 4th quarter you don't know what he might do, THAT is what Lebron doesn't have.

Just a couple links for you....

For 07-08
http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM
For 08-09 Season
http://www.82games.com/0809/QTR4S3.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
For 09-10
http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

And game winning shots going back to '03-'04 through '08-'09
http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Look around 82games a bit more, I'm sure there are some updated tables and such.

Then we have the most memorable gamewinning shot in recent memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2if2iO3tUcE

Now tell me Lebron isn't clutch? How about the Pistons game in the playoffs that he scored the last 29 of the last 30 points for the Cavs in a win?


Finally, you cannot bring up off the court in a comparison of Kobe and Lebron and expect Kobe to look golden. Do you remember a little thing that happened in Eagle, Colorado? Or the distraction he caused at the start of the '07-'08 demanding a trade publicly (Stephen A. Smith show and via Amateur video that ended up on youtube).





Last edited by Dawson at 12/29/2010 2:07:07 PM

my list...

1. Lebron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Durant
4. Chris Paul
5. Dwayne Wade
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Dwight Howard
8. Amare Stoudemire
9. Brandon Roy
10. Dirk Nowitzki


Stoudemire would not have been on my list before the season. Paul is at four based more on how he played in the past, I think he's almost back to that point. I obviously undervalue bigs. Based on this season, Kevin Love is one of the best players in the NBA, but I just don't feel like he really is.

I don't get how people are completely oblivious to Monta Ellis.
The guy was the NBA Player of the week last week.
He's #3 in PPG and #2 in Stl/G.
If you look at all the guards in that list and rank them based on the stats that should matter most to guards (FG%, 3P%, FT%, APG, SPG, TO/G, PF/G and PPG) the list is pretty different from what you people say:
The guards ranked by guard statistics (Durant, Lebron, Kobe and D-Wade all considered guards for this analysis)
1. Chris Paul
2. Steve Nash (this really surprised me)
3. Stephen Curry
4. Monta Ellis
5. Lebron James
6. Deron Williams
7. Kevin Durant
8. Derrick Rose
9. Rajon Rondo
10. Dwayne Wade
11. Kobe Bryant
12. Brandon Roy
13. Russell Westbrook

My top ten overall players will include 7 guards and 3 forwards. I will be moving Steve Nash Down and Kobe and Lebron way up, as guys like Kobe and Lebron both contribute a bit more as forwards as well.

1. Chris Paul (his team is pathetic, made up of castoffs and scrubs...Marco Bellinelli is the #3 scorer...yikes)
2. Dwight Howard
3. Lebron James
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Deron Williams
6. Monta Ellis
7. Kevin Durant
8. Amare Stoudamire
9. Kevin Love
10. Rajon Rondo (his passing, defense and leadership more than make up for his pathetic shooting)

Monta, Curry, and Nash have an unfair advantage in PPG, APG, and StlPG because their teams play a ridiculous fast pace. So there's that many more possessions. Contrast that to a team like Boston with Rondo or the Heat with James and Wade that play at snails paces.

I'll be happy when people realize that Kobe Bryant isn't a Top 10 player in the league anymore. Even Kobe is starting to come to terms with it. (see Kobe interview after Spurs game the other night) I hope the fans follow suit soon.

Hmm, I know he's not as good as he used to be, but I'd still say top 10.
1.Lebron James
2.Dwight Howard
3.Carmelo Anthony
4.Deron Williams
5.Amare
6.Dwayn Wade
7.Kevin Durant
8.Dirk
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Derrick Rose

I think 9-10 is reasonable. I'd put him closer to 12-13.

I think you made a mistake with Melo at 3. He's a pure scorer with horrid shot selection. He shots 42% from the field and 28% from 3. And this has been his most efficient season because his rebs are up 2 a game.

Also where is CP3? He's the best PG in the league yet you have him under DWill and DRose? Also, no Pau? or Manu? Also Amare has no business in Top 5 players. He isn't even the best PF in the league, much less Top 5 player. Pau and Bosh are both much better than Amare, mostly because he has no idea how to play on ball defense.

I've been reluctant, but I'll put out my Top 10 List.

1. LeBron James
2. Chris Paul
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Dwight Howard
6. Manu Ginobili
7. Kevin Durant
8. Deron Williams
9. Kevin Garnett
10. Pau Gasol

Many of these are interchangeable by 1-2 positions.

I wouldn't say Kobe's lost his touch yet...I'd still put him top 5 without a doubt. And I don't think we should talk about his effectiveness until playoffs, when he actually turns it on, which is what he's better than anybody at the league at doing.

The fact is, the lakers haven't been playing well in general. It's not like Kobe got worse, and so did his team's performance...I think it's more the opposite. He's still making incredible plays, but sometimes his team just can't finish. When the Lakers get their act together, I think we'll start to see the real Kobe start playing, like in the past few games that they've been playing.

And D-Will