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Ok, sounds ok, I'll repeat the question for the other candidates. What are your plans/goals for success? This has several parts, how would you define succes, if performance wise how far do we need to go to succeed, if training/advancement how much better do we need to get?

i just got myself in the vote i want to (at least) come in 2nd im maybe new but everybody should go check my team out and please let me get a least over 15 votes holla back


Last edited by Nate28 at 2/9/2012 7:48:55 PM

I missed this question thanks for asking again.

Success to me for this next term would be to get to the worlds and then play spoiler for the teams competing for the semi finals. Also growing the community involvement in the NT and get some more prospects coming.

For season 19... We should be able to get to the title game in the americas tournament. worst case scenario finish 3rd if argentina's HCA proves to be effective. Season 20 national tournament i think we're a top 8 team and should be that team that the top 4 teams are scared to play. (if we can get some primary pops on our bigs this upcoming season though we could make a little more noise in the worlds).

As far as training goes we have some guys that are close and coming up through the ranks that could be ready to unseat the long standing players... I think the thing that could h help us immediately though, is if jfarb and coco would do what they have said they're going to do and get some of our bigs a couple more pops to try to get us a little more competitive for the worlds in season 20.

I have a question regarding farm teams.

I know there are many teams that are primarily training u21 and NT players for other countries without any regard for winning or promoting. Seeing as one of the main problems for our NT seems to be finding users willing to shoulder the burden of training NT players despite how expensive it gets, how do you feel about this practice?

My opinion is that managers should do what would make them enjoy the game most... if being a farm team is something that interests them then yes i would utilize them in that manner.

That's why I'm hoping someone else with this skill set will eventually come to the forefront in future elections.

I believe i have this skillset and have the time and desire to get out in the community and help us grow.

I think nother thing everyone needs to think about is that we all have interest in the NT but how come Joel seems to be the one that is "supposed" to get more members on the offsite and work with the community aspect? This should be a team effort ran by both the NT and U21 coaches as well as the group of members already on the offsite. I think that seems to be one of our problems is we come up with ideas to try to get more people to the offsite but we never follow through. I think we need to be more successful as an offsite community promoting player building and involvment on the forums.

I agree with this and I am the man for the job. This should be the #1 priority for the NT coach.

Because from what I've read and been told its almost like you either pump primaries ans try to get them on the U21 team or you make a more rounded player and go for the NT. It honestly looks from the outside like its 2 different things and I think we need to have the coach get out there and bridge that gap so we don't lose prospects as soon as they are done with the U21 team and lose that merchandise.

I'm going to jump in here. First off, I'm really glad you're running. While you may not be the favorite to win, the people we need to be more involved are intelligent people who have a slightly different vision about what it will take to win gold. It's easy to talk about training specialized players, but when you train an 18 year old PF in secondaries for two seasons, before hitting the inside skills (to make him useful to your club team, at least as a SF), that shows something. I consider this just as important as buying 300k bigs if you're in the NBBA to help the NT. I sincerely hope you do well.

You've said a little about a "disconnect" between the NT and the U21 team, and it seems like you are implying there are 2 distinct training paths for U21 players and NT players. I'd like to clarify a few things, and try to share a different point of view. I don't believe the training plans for U21 and the NT are mutually exclusive, for most players.

Unless you make Bill Weeks, 7-8pot (~70% of U21 prospects) won't be enough for the NT. I also can't envision a training plan for NT guards that isn't useful for U21. U21 guards (especially combo guards) have a salary under 40k, which is completely reasonable for D4 and up. The salary is usually affordable, and people are able to train secondaries at age 22-23.

The only real difference between what's essential for U21, and what might help a NT player development is a 10pot big (~5% of our prospects, only 1 last season). I assure you that this is not missed by me or our great scouting staff. You, for example, have an exciting player in Cottrell. As you know, I have not once suggested you train primaries to make him useful for U21. The way he is being trained keeps his salary down, and gives him a chance to be a stud for the NT in 5-6 seasons. I have very different conversations with managers of 10pot bigs than 8pot bigs.

While training may be two different things (for a very very select few prospects), I always have the NT interests first. I promise I am not solely concerned with U21 for potential NT players. I think we have a few things we need to improve before we win worlds gold, but I don't think the training of 10pot U21 players is a major issue.

Good luck in the election.

If we are going to expect NBBA teams is going to "carry" a major big man, then we should expect that they actually make use of the fact that they're going to throw 1 game a week any way in order to acquire a high potential trainee and get him trained. It's unreasonable to expect and demand that a lower division team is going to spend millions of dollars on an 18yo trainee (or forgo those dollars to keep their own draftee), spend four seasons training him up to the point where he breaks their payroll, and then sell him on to an NBBA team who will now finish out his training. There's a lot of long term proof that it doesn't pencil out financially unless your team is developing and promoting because of the trainee(s), and teams are going to be much more interested in participating if they're presented with a viable way to have a piece of the NT, instead of just going down as "that guy who trained XXX before he became Coco's player".

This is where my program that we need to go beyond just telling a manager how to train his prospect comes into play. We need to mentor the manager on how to build his team around the player to advance so when they sell off their player they are in the upper leagues and can go about building their team how they wish.

This also is where IMO the disconnect between the U21 and the NT becomes so glaring. Once the merch stops rolling in from the U21 it seems they lose a lot of money because their players salary skyrockets and therefore they have no motivation to keep them. If we have them get them to the U21 and prepare their teams for the sell of their players it works out great.

You've said a little about a "disconnect" between the NT and the U21 team, and it seems like you are implying there are 2 distinct training paths for U21 players and NT players.

I need to clarify what i meant by this, and also say that I never mentioned or thought you were a part of this. What I am talking about in this sense is that if you go on the off-site or even on the threads here on the main site every training strategy posted says, and I'm paraphrasing here, to pump primaries and then secondaries second. This is why we don't have the bigs (and to be honest guards as well) with the secondaries to make up for our lack in primary skills and have the ability to be diverse in our offense. My goal is to coordinate with the U21 manager, so we still have the means to be dominant on the U21 level, but also be up front with managers in telling them how fast the salaries can escalate and what they would be looking at doing after they got their primaries trained up (which would be playing a massive salaried player out of position to train secondaries while trying to stay competitive).

The only real difference between what's essential for U21, and what might help a NT player development is a 10pot big (~5% of our prospects, only 1 last season). I assure you that this is not missed by me or our great scouting staff.

I agree with this. I never said this was being missed or feel that i implied as much.

While training may be two different things (for a very very select few prospects), I always have the NT interests first. I promise I am not solely concerned with U21 for potential NT players. I think we have a few things we need to improve before we win worlds gold, but I don't think the training of 10pot U21 players is a major issue.

First off to explain why i bolded what i did.... I don't think the NT interests need to be put first... we need to have it be a simultaneous process where managers that aren't already aware of what the process entails are brought up to speed and prepared and know exactly what their options are and the ramifications of which option they choose. That way they won't get discouraged when they hit the tough spots i.e the lull between their prospect being on the U21 team and getting the finishing touches for the NT.

The italicized part is exactly the synergy we need on both levels to get our team to that worlds gold. I will be able to provide this from the NT end.