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i'm talking about advanced metrics that actually mean something. Mike James and Ricky Davis have averaged 20ppg before.

lol @ the guy citing 3pt% as if griffin's percentage on like two attempts matters at all

Show me those "advanced metrics". No matter what you have, you simply can not prove that Fields is far better than Griffin. Just admit it, you said something dumb and you are wrong. Fields is NOT one of the best rookies in NBA history, not even close. With this being said, I think Landry Fields is a great player.

WP48
Fields - .296
Griffin - .255

TS%
Fields - 61.3%
Griffin - 54%


There are plenty of stats that show Griffin is better as well. One of the reasons people think Landry Fields is so great is because he does it in over half as many possessions as Griffin. So while it's easy to say oh Griffin avgs over 20 ppg, he does it with twice as many possessions. Which player you'd rather have depends greatly on the needs of your team. If you need a playmaker who can score a lot with a high usage rate, then you want Blake Griffin. If you want a player who can still play extremely well without the ball in his hand all the time and who is also extremely effecient, you want Landry Fields on your team.

As far as who deserves rookie of the year, you can't give ROY to Fields for the same reason you can't give the MVP to Joakim Noah or Anderson Varejao. These players are great and they are incredibly valuable to their teams, but they don't have a high enough usage rate to justify making them the MVP/ROY. There's no guarantee they'd be able to put up equal numbers if they did have a higher usage rate either. Most players are who they are.

1..lebron james__i say he is better than kobe bryant never had the team that could help him in playoff to win..
2..dwayne wade
3..amare stoudemire
4..chris paul
5..deron williams
6..carmello anthony
7..allen iverson
8..dwight howard
9..chris bosh
10..derrick rose

Kobe is not in the the top 10? Are you sure about that?
Iverson's prime is far over and he doesn't even play in the NBA anymore.

i'm sure about that..i just hate kobe..he knows that lebron james is better than him he is just selfish..and doesnt have any respect..kobe sucks i know that allen iverson is in turkey but always kobe will neva be the best..shaq helped kobe win 3 rings..shaq left because kobe thought he was the leader of the team which shaq was the leader..if it wasnt for pau gasol, derick fisher and andrew bynum and ron artest kobe wouldnt be nothing..lebron is gonna take all the scoring records in the nba record book..lebron is close to 20,000 points in his 8th season which took kobe about 12 to get 20,000...kobe hogs the ball alot lebron loves to share the ball..he makes his teamates look good
all consider kobe byant suck and lebron james is the best


anyone have any comments?

i wanna know since wen dwayne wade got better than lebron..listen you..tht will neva happen..lebron is better than kobe cant yall understand that it een about who better by rings..teams win champions lebron never had a good team..he carried cleveland on his back...kobe have a team and he still sucks..lebron is the best

Can I participate? If so, here's my top 10:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Kevin Durant
3. Amar'e Stoudemire
4. Lebron James
5. Dwayne Wade
6. Blake Griffin
7. Rajon Rondo
8. Derrick Rose
9. Monta Ellis
10. Dwight Howard

looks like you are way bias in favor of the players you like. Even though I don't like Kobe after years of watching him play and beat down on the teams I am cheering for against him I realize that he is easily one of the best players even if I don't like it. Kobe has always played his best in the playoffs when it counts and Lebron plays his best in the regular season and can be inconsistent in the playoffs. Lebron is still good and I like him a lot more then Kobe but he hasn't proved he is better.

I'm sorry but your knowledge about basketball is laughable at best. To claim AI is better than Kobe, or that AI is in the top 10... he's playing in Turkey for a reason, it proves how little you know. Also, the best players not only needs to be a great player on the court they need to not be a distraction off it so the team can focus. Lebron was hated and not wanted on the USA team for a reason, he's kind of a prick! Everybody knows it except his worshipers (like yourself). Once you understand more come talk to me.

P.S. Kobe has been dubbed the best player today and the generation by countless of experts (that means they know a lot and their opinion counts for something). Also the two best players of all-time (Magic and Jordan) have publically proclaimed Kobe > Lebron.

P.S.S. Wade carried a terrible team to the finals and got a ring (Lebron still doesn't have one of those... funny how that keeps popping up... probably because it is important in talking about the best players :/ ). The team he carried was far worse than Lebron's team. Wade is a much better player than Lebron, he just is frequently injured so people often think he is worse because he plays injured. If you don't believe me about Wade, go look at the stats of those final games! The best players win the hard games, Lebron James gives up and therefor will never be the best player. Wade and Durant will always overshadow him.

I think you go a little to much against Lebron but you definitely know more then Mr. Lebron worshipper. I don't think Wade is better then Lebron but he has played better in the playoffs. The team he had was slightly better then any Lebron team because Wade had a good Shaq and a bunch of role player/veterans. Kobe is the number 1 right now but I think Kevin Durant, Lebron, Wade, Howard, or Chris Paul could be the #1 in the next few years more likely it being Durant or Lebron.