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If choosing a real nation made the 2nd team twice as popular as current Utopia (I doubt that) it would mean an influx of about 1600 users across X number of micros.

IF you look at the numbers it would turn 30 user nations into 60 users nations in the best case scenario.

It would also relate highly to how popular a destination that nation might be. Nippon would be a popular destination due to global Japan-o-philia.

I estimate we might pick up as many as 200 users total between real locals and foreign joiners. We'd end up with about 5 people living in Japan who actually speak Japanese. about 5 people globally living in an assortment of places who actually are Japanese. Maybe 20 or 30 people who actually reasonably speak in Japanese. About 100 people who think they speak Japanese and think Japan is like an anime world similar to that of roger rabbit....and the rest would just be casually interested and only interested/capable of discussing in English.

A country like say Kazakstan etc. might only pick up a few dozen users, if that, and be not helped one bit.

2nd teams was never a solution for micros- it makes no sense.


Hold a sec... one of your major complaints about Japan is that the users "aren't Japanese", you can't really point to that as being a reason why something like this isn't viable.

And if Kazakstan picked up "a few dozen users" (24/36?), how does that make them "be not helped one bit"?

Ceilings could be put on nations (much as they did in the game this one's modeled off), and that would help spread to other nations.

So the only solution is to eliminate the micros which have not and will never work. IMO the best option here is to merge them into regions and retain their flags etc. plus separate out the NT competitions for smaller nations to only play smaller and larger only larger- and there are real world sports organizations like world cup etc. that already do this so it has precedence real world.

I'm guessing they are delaying this because its a lot more difficult to code and make happen than we realize and they don't want to promise to do anything too soon and not have time to complete properly, but test etc... Also I think they are probably still debating about how to make what groups.


Your notion of "worked" is based on game, whereas I suspect the BBs incorporate a financial aspect to it. I would also hazard a guess that this will trump any notion of gameplay. If abandoning nations makes sense financially, it might happen. If it doesn't... that could also be a reason for perceived "delay".
Lastly, no point in drawing real world comparisons...

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Date: 5/30/2016 4:50:24 AM
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We're outside the limits of what BB regard as a candidate for merging


I sure hope you're wrong. I'd like to see than save the game, not just tinker more and more, endlessly, letting it slide into oblivion. Time will tell.

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Even picking up a handful of users could help a lot in some cases, that's why I still think Utopia was a very bad idea and offering a second team in a different nation would have been the much better option. But that ship has sailed, so...

If you go from 7 users to 25 or so, at least one full division is running...

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Even picking up a handful of users could help a lot in some cases, that's why I still think Utopia was a very bad idea and offering a second team in a different nation would have been the much better option. But that ship has sailed, so...

If you go from 7 users to 25 or so, at least one full division is running...

Agreed. Still... if we're considering the drastic measure of ending nations, why not consider the not-quite-as-drastic re-thinking second teams?

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In my opinion everything should be open, but it was already said that Utopia won't be changed, so the only think we could probably discuss would be a third team option.

Dismantling Utopia would probably hurt the feelings of many users that spent time and dedication to build those teams. So I understand that Utopia cannot be touched now.

As long as something happens soon, I think it can only improve the situation.

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Date: 5/30/2016 7:56:40 AM
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We're outside the limits of what BB regard as a candidate for merging


I sure hope you're wrong. I'd like to see than save the game, not just tinker more and more, endlessly, letting it slide into oblivion. Time will tell.

Definitely, but during this whole thread the only responses made by BBs have been with regards to the plans they laid out in the original post. The possibility of a wider merger has not been mentioned so presumably they're not interested in it at all.

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Date: 5/30/2016 8:16:31 AM
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Ok gonna make that more brief-
Putting 2nd teams in micros wont stop them from being micros and everyone who wants it wants it not to stop them from being micros but to have another/to have A micro team. People want micros when they ask for 2nd teams in micros.

Quit trying to sell it is a solution to micros. Its the exact opposite- its another attempt to exploit micros even further.

That... doesn't make a whole lot of sense dude. If 2nd teams were allowed to go wherever, and a nation went from 15 users to 100, it wouldn't be a micro any more.

But as Knecht said, this is just talk. They're not touching Utopia.

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