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214998.8 in reply to 214998.7
Date: 4/25/2012 2:46:26 AM
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I really think that it depends on two things:

1. How the training is done. Of course if you go ballistic on the salary heavy skills, you'd find yourself not being able to afford to keep him.

2. As for new managers not being able to train players properly, that's a load of bs. It's all down to whether they take the initiative to read up and ask questions.


Personally, I'd keep him. Train up secondaries to keep him balanced and wages low. And research more / ask questions. Getting a 5/5 draft is quite painfully difficult. You'll be kicking yourself seasons from now for selling him.

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214998.9 in reply to 214998.4
Date: 4/25/2012 9:49:48 AM
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Inconceivable, there's not way to listen to me too much! :P

Seriously, I'm with Vince. It's not that hard to train players. Ask questions, read up, and plan your training to account for salary increases. Like he said, you may never get another draftee this good.

From: primoss

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214998.10 in reply to 214998.9
Date: 4/25/2012 11:26:08 AM
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I think you would be stupid if you sell this player,cause you have just hit the jackpot .
I play this game for almost 3 seasons,and never had a good draftee,this player is just what you need.
Don't worry about training this guy, probably your U21 coach will contact you,and give you some advise how to train this guy.And really its not that difficult,if you have doubts just ask and there are many managers who will give you advise.
What you should do ,is to expand your arena,so you will get more money,build mainly the more expansive seats for now and not bleachers.
If you train this guy well,your merchandise will be skyhigh in a few seasons,and if this player will be to expansive you can always sell him.

You are a lucky.... man:)

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214998.11 in reply to 214998.10
Date: 4/25/2012 11:34:25 AM
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I've been playing since season 12.

The best I've ever landed was a HoF with a 2.5k salary, awful OD and awful JR.



And I still trained the bugger for a season before losing patience

From: Batgirl

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214998.12 in reply to 214998.1
Date: 4/25/2012 2:07:35 PM
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I agree with E.B.W.. It will be more beneficial to sell that player no matter what skills he will have. But it all depends how you enjoy playing. If you enjoy training young players, and seeing them develop, getting little green arrows then you should keep him.

From: Kennedy

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214998.13 in reply to 214998.5
Date: 4/25/2012 7:10:35 PM
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1. I understand this point, but the counterargument is that managers tend to get more interested in the game when they have players they care about, who are usually trainees. So he might be more likely to stick with the game if he has a killer draftee who is the star of his team, who he gets to watch grow and develop and dominate other players. I know from experience that I really started to get into this game when I got Dimas Conanan and started learning how to train him, and my interest heightened when I drafted Anthony Lucas next season. Will he make some mistakes? Maybe. But isn't that what mentors are for?

2. Maybe, but promotion is kind of overrated unless you do it the 'right' way, in my opinion. What's more fun: buying a bunch of expensive aging veterans, dominating for a season or two, then promoting and being in the middle of the pack while your veterans' skills start to decline, or training up a bunch of young rookies, learning to compete, and then promoting while your trainees are just coming into their own and still improving? Personally I find that only half the fun from this game is winning games, and the other half is watching my players improve and become better than everyone else's.

3. If he were talking about a pure big man (say a 7'2" center or something like that) or even a guard, I would agree with this point. But if you read my original post, I advocated keeping him only if his skills were such that he could be made into a SF/outside oriented PF type. Those types of players are pretty cheap salary wise if you build them right, it's just tricky because they require so many different skills that require training at so many different positions, etc. But he can easily afford a SF/PF for most of his career. The two SFs on the USA U21 team both have salaries under $20K, and both of them have 90+ skill points. That is a very salary efficient build, and $20K players are not a salary burden--plenty of low-level teams have players with even higher salaries. And he'll get a merchandise bonus for drafting him, which covers part of his salary.

Looking at the Australian NT, the only true SF on the roster has a salary of a little under $90K. They have a PF on the roster who also plays SF with a salary of $74K. It will take several seasons to train him to where his salary is anywhere near that high, and by that point this player could have led him to multiple championships and a spot in an Australian D.I or D.II league. Even if he has to sell him then, is it worth it? I'd say definitely.

And here's another thing to consider: if he sells him when he's 25 and well trained, borderline NT caliber, he'll make way more than if he sold him right after the draft. You say he could sell for $1-1.5 million. Some draftees have sold for $2 million, if they're really good. But consider the example of Bill Weeks. Wahoowa was in D.III, but still was able to afford him until he was 25, with a $70K salary. Even then he wouldn't have had to sell him if he hadn't decided to quit BB, but that's another matter. The point is when Bill Weeks sold, he sold for over 5 million. If Stubby can train a SF and sell him for anywhere close to that, it will be more financially rewarding than selling him right after the draft.





Of course, this whole discussion is purely hypothetical until we know his skills. If he's not a SF prospect, then EBW is right--training a top-tier big man as a new team is going to be hard to afford, as his salary can skyrocket. There have been U21 players with salaries well in excess of $100K, which is definitely a little much. I guess the point is, let us know what his skills are. I hope for your sake they're awesome.


P.S. Yes, I did just write a 700-word forum post that might become completely irrelevant for all I know, depending on what skills this player ends up having. And yes, I know this means I have no life.

Last edited by Kennedy at 4/25/2012 7:15:18 PM

From: lamchops

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214998.14 in reply to 214998.5
Date: 4/26/2012 3:25:07 PM
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I think you misunderstood. My intention was not to encourage him to train the player for U21, it was simply to inform him about the various "bonuses" of training a homegrown or national team player.
I hate seeing wasted potential just as much as you do.
On the other hand, as Kennedy says, there are ways to manage salary. Plus he has few seasons to promote and get his finances in order. Also training really isn't *that* hard and its very rewarding to watch your players grow and develop. Plus, he can always sell him once he stops being able to afford him, and still for decent profit.


Last edited by lamchops at 4/26/2012 3:32:44 PM

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214998.15 in reply to 214998.14
Date: 4/26/2012 3:55:35 PM
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I think you misunderstood. My intention was not to encourage him to train the player for U21, it was simply to inform him about the various "bonuses" of training a homegrown or national team player.


Yes, and even if the player never makes the NT, a homegrown player is still very useful indeed. If the manager is willing to give up chances at U21 play, he could spend a lot of time early training secondary skills (at least, those that would be secondary for the trainee's finished profile) so as to push off the salary growth a bit and to have a better all-around player.

From: Stubby
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214998.16 in reply to 214998.15
Date: 5/15/2012 5:18:23 AM
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well guys here is the guy that i got in my 1st pick draft

what do you think? is his starting skills any good? how would i know? this is my 1st draft


Weekly salary: $ 5 411
Role: draws a paycheck
(BuzzerBeta)

Position: Power Forward

DMI: 0
Age: 18
Height: 6'9" / 206 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: respectable
Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: pitiful
Handling: average
Driving: mediocre
Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: respectable
Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: mediocre
Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: awful
Free Throw: awful

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214998.17 in reply to 214998.16
Date: 5/15/2012 1:43:01 PM
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Sell.

From: E.B.W.

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214998.18 in reply to 214998.16
Date: 5/15/2012 8:45:24 PM
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I would sell him. You could easily sell him for 1 million-1.5 million and buy a similar guy with P. allstar-Superstar potential for about 500k. This way you have a good trainee for you (Especially since your in a lower league and probably cant afford that hall of fame center in the long run) and an extra 500-800k to spend on veterans or your arena.

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