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Why is the existence of micro-nations a problem?

Seriously? You've been in this thread for a while. You must already know the answer to that question.

And really I'm getting tired of your vanilla comments; and Walmart. That's a false analogy. Merging USA with Canada would be a Walmart kind of thing. Merging Japan and Korea (just an example, not a suggestion) is more like merging two corner shops that are awash with as much money as Walmart.

Dude... such an angst-filled response to a simple question. I know that *you* perceive it to be a problem, and that there are a few micro-nation users who don't. Surely that's ok.

I'm not sure I've made a walmart analogy. Someone else? And "are awash with as much money as Walmart"? Way overplayed (how much cash do you imagine I have saved?)... and the vanilla one I've made maybe three times? And then, only in reference to the suggestion that we just make huge leagues, all similar with no reference to region at all.
You must tire easily.

Last edited by malice at 5/29/2016 7:13:31 AM

I am honestly interested to hear you elucidate the problem... as you see it. I'm also interested to hear how you feel it impacts you specifically.

Can we do it without anger and recrimination?

Well, I see Wolph beat me to it.

Just one thing I want to add really. I'm not from a macro country out to bash the micros. We're outside the limits of what BB regard as a candidate for merging, but I'd be quite happy for us to be merged.

Also, while you might view this from the perspective of what's best for you as an individual, I don't. I'm sure I can already make more money than a team in a macro that is in the same situation, and as England gets smaller, I'll make more. Good for me. Bad for the wider game.

I've seen that suggestion before and I think another that included Ireland. Similar to other areas of the world I'm not sure how the other nations would feel about joining England, Britain, or a British Isles league (which would include Ireland) and while I wouldn't object, I wouldn't think that went far enough. Not that my opinion should matter.

I'd prefer a wider merger though with other European countries. Without counting all the European numbers I don't think one European league would necessarily be a good idea, but perhaps dividing it geographically (East/West or North/South) would be better.

I'd assume the biggest countries in Europe would be kept separate as those countries are fine by themselves.

Well-elucidated, until the last half sentence. No need to be an ass, wolph.

I think I probably missed about 50028937498 other reasons why micros is a problem but hey, maybe one point here will resonate and you'll get it.

I don't deny there are problems... but there are LOADS of problems in BB. I don't think micros are the main one - declining membership would far outrank that, and you cannot point to micros as being the cause. As you say, "it's a few guys".

#1. I agree with the first part of your point. The real solution isn't to eliminate nations, it's to let people determine where they play - to a degree. People who can lay claim to multiple nations (eg. you - US/Japan) should be able to choose at the outset. Additionally, prior to Utopia's creation (remember that discussion?), I was a proponent of letting people choose a second nation rather than a fake *ute* experience. That would have solved everything.

#2/3. Fair call on NT/B3. Tho' again - if micros had an influx of members, they wouldn't be micros any more.

Kinda wonder if that is still an option: bail on Utopia, let users choose a second nation...

If choosing a real nation made the 2nd team twice as popular as current Utopia (I doubt that) it would mean an influx of about 1600 users across X number of micros.

IF you look at the numbers it would turn 30 user nations into 60 users nations in the best case scenario.

It would also relate highly to how popular a destination that nation might be. Nippon would be a popular destination due to global Japan-o-philia.

I estimate we might pick up as many as 200 users total between real locals and foreign joiners. We'd end up with about 5 people living in Japan who actually speak Japanese. about 5 people globally living in an assortment of places who actually are Japanese. Maybe 20 or 30 people who actually reasonably speak in Japanese. About 100 people who think they speak Japanese and think Japan is like an anime world similar to that of roger rabbit....and the rest would just be casually interested and only interested/capable of discussing in English.

A country like say Kazakstan etc. might only pick up a few dozen users, if that, and be not helped one bit.

2nd teams was never a solution for micros- it makes no sense.

Hold a sec... one of your major complaints about Japan is that the users "aren't Japanese", you can't really point to that as being a reason why something like this isn't viable.

And if Kazakstan picked up "a few dozen users" (24/36?), how does that make them "be not helped one bit"?

Ceilings could be put on nations (much as they did in the game this one's modeled off), and that would help spread to other nations.

So the only solution is to eliminate the micros which have not and will never work. IMO the best option here is to merge them into regions and retain their flags etc. plus separate out the NT competitions for smaller nations to only play smaller and larger only larger- and there are real world sports organizations like world cup etc. that already do this so it has precedence real world.

I'm guessing they are delaying this because its a lot more difficult to code and make happen than we realize and they don't want to promise to do anything too soon and not have time to complete properly, but test etc... Also I think they are probably still debating about how to make what groups.

Your notion of "worked" is based on game, whereas I suspect the BBs incorporate a financial aspect to it. I would also hazard a guess that this will trump any notion of gameplay. If abandoning nations makes sense financially, it might happen. If it doesn't... that could also be a reason for perceived "delay".
Lastly, no point in drawing real world comparisons...

We're outside the limits of what BB regard as a candidate for merging

I sure hope you're wrong. I'd like to see than save the game, not just tinker more and more, endlessly, letting it slide into oblivion. Time will tell.