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Yeah you'r right anyways we are one big community here all have the passion for basketball and competition.
And btw guys if anyone needs a scrimmage to add Lebanon's flag tell me anytime...
i'd be glad also if you can help our country get better here, by helping us train our young players we'd appreciate it

This has been an ongoing discussion as i can see and i'm very late joining in to give an opinion. I haven't really read everything that has been discussed thus far so take this as it is (some of these ideas may have been mentioned elsewhere) from a very old manager who's been here for around 25 seasons in what is now a micro-nation .

Merging micro-nations might improve the competitiveness between teams. I'm not against the general idea of it. That being said, representing your country and working to improve our NT and U21 teams is essential to our love for the game. Any solution has to:

a) keep the NT and U21 teams as they are. It doesn't matter if we will never be able to beat larger nations. We accept that reality.
b) keep the steady flow of young talented draftees in each country based on the flag of the players drafting the player i.e. Each of the draftees for a particular team should be in line with the nation of the team that drafted them. Same thing goes with the names of the players. They must be local. I know this presents some coding issues, but shouldn't be too difficult to overcome.
c) Try to put the teams from the same country in the same leagues in lower divisions. That means grouping teams from the same country in the same leagues within the respective division as long as it's possible during the initial merger as well as attepting to put the teams in "local" leagues within a particular division during the process of promotion/relegation.

I think implementing these solutions keep the best from both worlds: Increase competitiveness. Keep the national pride going.

This BB GM-ers have crazy ideas these days..

Yes, they really need to stop trying to fix problems.

Why is the existence of micro-nations a problem?

Why is the existence of micro-nations a problem?

Seriously? You've been in this thread for a while. You must already know the answer to that question.

And really I'm getting tired of your vanilla comments; and Walmart. That's a false analogy. Merging USA with Canada would be a Walmart kind of thing. Merging Japan and Korea (just an example, not a suggestion) is more like merging two corner shops that are awash with as much money as Walmart.

Dude... such an angst-filled response to a simple question. I know that *you* perceive it to be a problem, and that there are a few micro-nation users who don't. Surely that's ok.

I'm not sure I've made a walmart analogy. Someone else? And "are awash with as much money as Walmart"? Way overplayed (how much cash do you imagine I have saved?)... and the vanilla one I've made maybe three times? And then, only in reference to the suggestion that we just make huge leagues, all similar with no reference to region at all.
You must tire easily.

Last edited by malice at 5/29/2016 7:13:31 AM

I am honestly interested to hear you elucidate the problem... as you see it. I'm also interested to hear how you feel it impacts you specifically.

Can we do it without anger and recrimination?

Well, I see Wolph beat me to it.

Just one thing I want to add really. I'm not from a macro country out to bash the micros. We're outside the limits of what BB regard as a candidate for merging, but I'd be quite happy for us to be merged.

Also, while you might view this from the perspective of what's best for you as an individual, I don't. I'm sure I can already make more money than a team in a macro that is in the same situation, and as England gets smaller, I'll make more. Good for me. Bad for the wider game.

I've seen that suggestion before and I think another that included Ireland. Similar to other areas of the world I'm not sure how the other nations would feel about joining England, Britain, or a British Isles league (which would include Ireland) and while I wouldn't object, I wouldn't think that went far enough. Not that my opinion should matter.

I'd prefer a wider merger though with other European countries. Without counting all the European numbers I don't think one European league would necessarily be a good idea, but perhaps dividing it geographically (East/West or North/South) would be better.

I'd assume the biggest countries in Europe would be kept separate as those countries are fine by themselves.

Well-elucidated, until the last half sentence. No need to be an ass, wolph.

I think I probably missed about 50028937498 other reasons why micros is a problem but hey, maybe one point here will resonate and you'll get it.

I don't deny there are problems... but there are LOADS of problems in BB. I don't think micros are the main one - declining membership would far outrank that, and you cannot point to micros as being the cause. As you say, "it's a few guys".

#1. I agree with the first part of your point. The real solution isn't to eliminate nations, it's to let people determine where they play - to a degree. People who can lay claim to multiple nations (eg. you - US/Japan) should be able to choose at the outset. Additionally, prior to Utopia's creation (remember that discussion?), I was a proponent of letting people choose a second nation rather than a fake *ute* experience. That would have solved everything.

#2/3. Fair call on NT/B3. Tho' again - if micros had an influx of members, they wouldn't be micros any more.

Kinda wonder if that is still an option: bail on Utopia, let users choose a second nation...