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278268.765 in reply to 278268.764
Date: 5/16/2016 9:36:53 AM
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I've been there. I've spoken to guys who have players in my U21 NT, who quit because they're in a division where they can't win a game.
I'm guessing your hypotheticals are just that.

Sure... there are guys who quit because the competition is lacking, but most of new users that I've met in my albeit limited experience, who don't stick in micros do so because they cop a shellacking in their first season (or less). Being sorely out of your depth week in, week out is far, far worse than playing a bot.

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Date: 5/16/2016 11:08:33 PM
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"having an opinion" isn't really helpful or conducive to discussion if all you're doing is restating the same ol' stuff over, and over
... says the guy whose name is on almost every other post.


what you propose is a dicey proposition due to the fact that there are livelihoods on the line
Exactly! Now we are getting somewhere. If all they do is crush a few smaller nations together it might keep the game afloat for a while while they find revenue streams for themselves elsewhere. If they do something of a magnitude that will actually rescue the game, sure it's risky, but I say good for them. But like it or not, or ignore it as you seem wont to do, the decision will unquestionably affect every team in every nation, because we are all a part of the same global Buzzerbeater economy.

I understand and sympathize with micro-nation managers who want to keep as much of their advantage as possible, so go ahead and protect your turf, but I don't feel the need to protect any turf and my viewpoint is what will benefit the game as a whole, not just protecting micro-nations.

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Date: 5/17/2016 7:01:38 AM
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I think by "economy" you're talking about "game economy" - but largely, that's irrelevant to the decisions that need to be made. *Real* is the only thing that impacts the decisions that need to be made here.

Now, not necessarily to all - but to me at least - your suggestion sounds very vanilla. All having the same experience, is not something that will enjoy longevity.

Last edited by malice at 5/17/2016 7:02:02 AM

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Date: 5/17/2016 9:44:51 AM
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Why don't we just implement a rule to where each team can only have a couple foreigners on their rosters! I would love to see this, or set economic ceilings which are based on the number of users within a country. Realistically, many more people are watching the large countries as opposed to the small. Tv money should be based not only on the specific league but the national scene as well. Merch sales should also be programmed along this formula. I can't even read about DJ Richardson winning the title in Finland because there isn't any coverage in English i can find. (If any finns want to pm me about it, please do!)

The levelling of the international playing field should be the first priority. Let's fix it for the 90% first, then prioritize the rest.

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Date: 5/17/2016 4:29:40 PM
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i not think all togheter in only one big country will be succesfull, but maybe all mixed togheter in 10/12 big country with full series from one to V and no bot can be a good idea for the whole economy and for the new user so come in the game and should face users who are not udefeatable and not at top level

Exactly right. But of course the micronationa won't like that because it doesn't retain their micronation advantage.

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Date: 5/17/2016 7:47:11 PM
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i not think all togheter in only one big country will be succesfull, but maybe all mixed togheter in 10/12 big country with full series from one to V and no bot can be a good idea for the whole economy and for the new user so come in the game and should face users who are not udefeatable and not at top level

Exactly right. But of course the micronationa won't like that because it doesn't retain their micronation advantage.

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Date: 5/17/2016 7:49:09 PM
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Why don't we just implement a rule to where each team can only have a couple foreigners on their rosters! I would love to see this, or set economic ceilings which are based on the number of users within a country. Realistically, many more people are watching the large countries as opposed to the small. Tv money should be based not only on the specific league but the national scene as well. Merch sales should also be programmed along this formula. I can't even read about DJ Richardson winning the title in Finland because there isn't any coverage in English i can find. (If any finns want to pm me about it, please do!)

The levelling of the international playing field should be the first priority. Let's fix it for the 90% first, then prioritize the rest.

I'd be absolutely behind this (my team is 100% Japanese at the moment - which is pretty difficult to compete with!).

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Date: 5/18/2016 4:52:42 AM
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I don't like it, although I think we should force teams to keep/train domestic players - currently it's very difficult to compete with a domestic roster, when you are in a top league of a micronation, like you pointed out anyway.

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Unless... EVERYONE was doing it.

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Date: 5/18/2016 3:19:22 PM
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Unless... EVERYONE was doing it.


Not every nation has an equal player pool. Managers from big nations would get a huge advantage in the B3. Also, for guys from smaller nations it would be really annoying for there to be so few players on the transfer list that they could actually buy.

I agree that we should make homegrown teams more viable, but that doesn't mean forcing everyone to do it and effectively banning other strategies. A rule like that would restrict the TL way too much. I don't see how it would ever bring new users to the game and it could cause alot of people to leave.

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