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So you say that these Spanish Teams - nearly all of them went from Div V to I in their career - are not at the top because they know how to play but only because they started early? In a country with over 4000 users getting to the top you won't be able to get to the top if you are not a good manager

How about you first PLAY for sometime and promote to the top instead of whining that its unfair that older teams have an advantage because they used their time to build up a strong team?

This is not a marathon, it's basketball so allow me to use a more realistic comparison. Tell me, at which point in time will the NBA reset?

So now after I prove that the marathon example (one of you) gave works even better as one of my argument, it is not valid? Interesting...

The marathon's comparison argument stands.

Anyhow, on the NBA there are soft and hard cap.

This season saw the rise of a team which was started in season 7 to the top. Like I said, all it takes is proper long term planning to get to the top, old team or new team. Look at Australia as well. Focusing on one or two league suggests something, but cannot be used as proof.

1) Regarding the Austrakian ABBL league I already written.
2) So there is finally a team from season 7 in your first league, and none from the 10 seasons ended afterwards, and you call it a competative system? Interesting once again...

This is even w/o taking a look what happened to those older teams.
Did they left the game or something else?

1)

Everytime a top team writes something against your proposals, you are accusing them they are against it solely because your changes would affect them the most.

I'm not accusing anyone. I'm stating a fact - those teams as something to lose from a system change to a more competative system.

2)

There is a card game, called Magic

Not relevant. A simple game is not what was subjected in this thread.
A competative game is something altogether different.

3)

I hope you are not blindsided by your anger towards all people who are proving you wrong

Not angry.
Not blindsided.
And definately had not been proved wrong even once.
I brang facts, that all those who have something to gain just didn't relate once to them. And ofcourse there is no correlation or connection between this two...

4) Two leagues that I've looked at have proved the same - neither on the spanish nor the Greman legues did the "great 8" conference on the DIV-1 league had a SINGLE team from seasons 5-17 (13 seasons) !!!
This proves that it is not about time to get to the first league, but time to wait for users to get bored from this game and leave it, in order for them to take their place.

5) The "cap" suggetsion and the "sudden career-ending-injury" are taken from basketball world.
They are not making the game easier.
They do make the game more competative.

And now the question is why you (and others with the same story) are against it?
And here we are closing a circle with my first point on this message...

1) Explain how in two different leagues - the Spanish and the German there was no team newer than from season-4 at the "great 8" conference on the Div-I league.

2) Great. Another user from season-3 lecturing me about how the game is so competative, and how is the fact that he is in the first division is regardless to that fact.

And I forgot to mention one more thing. There has been already soft cap as incomes are limited.

Great!!!
You said it is already there in a different form, so you have no reason to be against adding a REAL soft-cap. Don't you?

And no, this is not a soft-cap.
In soft-cap the teams who are above it (AKA - are above leagues average players+stuff value) pay for those who are below it.
And this is why you are so against the last, but has no problem with the first.
And by that you are proving one of my claims here regardung the reason a user from season-3 is against a more competative system.

Explore your first DIV, and return with an answer - how do they spread along the seasons.
How many season-5 and above are there?

this is a long-term strategy game, and that's what I want. I don't want to reach Spanish Div. I just because someone reseted everything for me to have an easier way to do it.

But you would want to have a fair chance doing so.
Currently there isn't.
As written - the newest team on your DIV-I, "great 8" conference are from season-4.

This is not by chance, and I've explained it earlier on.
Each year assests grows to all.
So, in the best case the assets' difference between older team and newer team (with the same manager skills) stays.
What is more possible is that it is even get larger.

No offense intended, I'm just giving my point of view; showing that lower division managers are not always on your part.

It doesn't offended me. But, which teams support this feelings is not the question here.
It is about facts, and solutions.

BTW, except asset's reset, I also suggested the ideas of soft-cap (and hard-cap) - like in the NBA and other league in the USA that have brought those rules exactly for the purpose of competativeness, and the idea of "career-ending-injury" which (by nature the value of players possesed by teams) will affect the richer teams more.

Im just glad that noone supports your ideas and we won´t have that kind of changes you wish to have ;)

And again the pattern of excuses and not answering a simple question;

Are all the good managers joined the game in spain just on the first 4 seasons, as current staus and your claim imply?
NO IT CANNOT BE.
They just had the big advantage (that "amazingly" you have) - joining on the first seasons.

1) You still failed to explain how come the current teams on ACBB "great 8" conference does not posses a single team newer than those from season-4.

2) The example you gave does not prove anything.
It seems that he made economic desicions several times, and stayed on the lower leagues to gain money and better train his players with not being afraid of the results on the field.
Then he made a run to the first division due to this assets he got.
BUT - he got to this amount of assets because he started early. And still he was not good enough to stay in the first league.
It also proves another thing here is not logic - a team that does not compete developing better than those who did.

This is surely the case, as this manager stayed for several seasons on the lower leagues, and then just got into a rocket that brang him to the upper league.