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@all HGL participating managers:
you need to provide a similar kind of list (as below) before Season 1 on this HGL Scores-thread (326590.42).
As I don't know if all HGL managers still read official thread actively, I sent it here on Homegrown teams II-thread too.
Instructions on how to easily create this box score link listing is found on messages (326590.42) and (326590.43).


Here are box score links to my HGL Season 1 matches:

RS Round 1: Monday, April 7th, 2025 WAG vs. Trouville BBC (133877471)
RS Round 2: Friday, April 11th, 2025 WAG vs. Big Chillers (133878039)
RS Round 3: Monday, April 14th, 2025 WAG vs. Svätý Jur Snakers (133878241)

RS Round 4: Friday, April 18th, 2025 WAG vs. Heywood Big Dogs (133877473)
RS Round 5: Monday, April 21st, 2025 WAG vs. Suuret Muinaiset (133879673)
RS Round 6: Friday, April 25th, 2025 WAG vs. Lielupes Melnãs Sirdis (133879391)

RS Round 7: Monday, April 28th, 2025 WAG vs. Swan River Serpents (133876945)
RS Round 8: Friday, May 2nd, 2025 WAG vs. Santa Eufemia Ducks (133878043)
RS Round 9: Monday, May 5th, 2025 WAG vs. Rajdersi (133879373)

RS Round 10: Friday, May 9th, 2025 WAG vs. WiMaOlCa (133877161)
RS Round 11: Monday, May 12th, 2025 WAG vs. Madrid Chotis (133877544)
RS Round 12: Friday, May 16th, 2025 WAG vs. Buckner Bandits (133877017)

RS Round 13: Monday, May 19th, 2025 WAG vs. Holy City Hoopers [match=XXX] *Waiting for challenge!*
RS Round 14: Friday, May 23rd, 2025 WAG vs. Elan Demars (133876981)
RS Round 15: Monday, May 26th, 2025 WAG vs. Les Gueux du Marais (133880138)

Last edited by Wagner at 3/29/2025 11:54:24 AM

An Apology

Hi everyone.

Sadly, I had made an almost-fatal mistake believing 2 of my players (who I purchased this season) were former players of mine. In other words, I thought they were original players and were part of my HG team. I was wrong. I confused their names. Thankfully Wagner alerted me to this error now, before the HGL started, saving me some embarrassment.

I was certain Steggall was a retuned 'original' player previously fired. Turns out I probably mixed him up with a Steggall I had when playing BB previously as this is my 3rd reincarnation in BB.

I was unsure with Cheung and had done a quick check early in the season as I recalled firing a Cheung. I was wrong.

I am devastated. One of those players, Steggall, is my trainee SF who had a huge training season and was the foundation I was building a team around. I had planned next season to give him the big skills he needed to become a well-rounded SF. In short, I had mapped out the next 3-5 seasons building around him.

The second player, Cheung, was eventually going to be my future SG and was going to replace my aging SG.

I am devastated as I now need to make a big decision:

1. I can sell both of these players to ensure I am truly 100% HG and keep my spot in the HGL. I can do this before the HGL starts next week or so. This would also ensure no huge disruptions to the scheduling that has already taken place for the HGL. My withdrawal at this point will cause considerable problems with minimal time left to fix them. That, of course, would affect all of you competing in the HGL. The selling of both of these players will be financially painful too as neither will likely sell for their worth.

2. Alternatively, I can withdraw from the HGL, spend 1 more season as a non-HG team and train Steggall hard in his big skills so as to gain financially from his sale at the end of the season. I would also sell Cheung and then, with their sales, become 100% HG and ready for Season 2 of the HGL.

The problem with option 1 is that I will have to run an 8-man roster for the entire Season 68. This will be extremely difficult while training. I am currently running PU game simulations to determine how possible line-ups could work with 8 while getting an idea for how bad their weekly minutes would be. I am trying hard to make 8 players viable.

The problem with option 2 is that I would not be HG for another season when, mentally, I am ready and eager to begin this journey (thought I was starting it). There is also no guarantee I would make any more money on Steggall and Cheung at the end of next season than I would if I sold them now.

So, this is where I stand.

I wanted to let you know what has occurred (my stupidity in overlooking what I thought were returning HG players) and let you know that I will have to make a decision tonight. 8 players would be a tough ask. In my 50+ seasons playing BB I have never run such a light roster.

My apologies.

MrJ

Last edited by MrJ at 3/30/2025 3:33:40 AM

It's strange that you didn't notice. But mistakes happen, we're only human. One thing is clear, you have to play in HGL without them.....

It's strange that you didn't notice. But mistakes happen, we're only human. One thing is clear, you have to play in HGL without them.....

I guess you could be more accusatory so thank you for the neutral tone.

There were a few reasons why I didn't notice. However, the first reason and one others should be aware of is that a player who doesn't have anything written like 'XXXX was pick xx in the Season 66 draft etc...' doesn't necessarily mean he is an original player which is exactly what you find with an original player! This was how I originally missed one of the two players. I did check and once I realised he was in my original league at exactly the same time I had fired some players from my 'starting' team, and I recalled his name, I was confident I was right. It was only when Wagner and I were going through and checking all teams yesterday that he picked up this anomaly on my team (and an issue with another team). I then went through more deeply, eventually looking at the date he played versus the date my team arrived officially. It was then that I realised he couldn't be mine as he had played weeks before my team arrived. I also had a player with the same surname but perhaps I confused him with my previous BB team as I have left and returned to BB 3 times over the years.

Either way, it is done. I stuffed up and I should have checked more deeply.

It is a very costly mistake for me now.

As I have now decided that nothing is stopping me from going HG, I have no choice but to sell them.


Last edited by MrJ at 3/30/2025 5:49:36 AM

As I have now decided that nothing is stopping me from going HG, I have no choice but to sell them.

There is a third option: don’t sell the players and in the HGL matches play with 8 and that’s it. This way, you can train these players in other matches. It’s easily verifiable if you comply or not with putting them in

As I have now decided that nothing is stopping me from going HG, I have no choice but to sell them.

There is a third option: don’t sell the players and in the HGL matches play with 8 and that’s it. This way, you can train these players in other matches. It’s easily verifiable if you comply or not with putting them in

Thanks, Chucarro, but if I kept those 2 players I cannot call myself a HG team and I would be disqualified from competing in the HGL...these are the rules.

As I have now decided that nothing is stopping me from going HG, I have no choice but to sell them.

There is a third option: don’t sell the players and in the HGL matches play with 8 and that’s it. This way, you can train these players in other matches. It’s easily verifiable if you comply or not with putting them in

As MrJ noted, this is strictly not allowed. Becoming a non-HG team during any part of season is the most serious violation you could make (unless we count also playing non-HG players in a match, but that may not receive another tier penalty in finalized rule set).
While the whole rules/penalties section is still under construction/finalization, I can already reveal that this non-HG rule will be enforced very strictly, and penalties from that will be as presented before in my and in MrJ's suggestions - out of current and next season of HGL. We can not afford to make a HG league non-HG league - so no exceptions.

Now that I'm still in a process of checking out teams (if they have only eligible players), I would like to ask that all HGL participating teams would do a double check if they have any doubt whatsoever, whether or not all their players are originals (gifted to them), homegrown players or someone they have bought earlier.

If these players are spotted later on, the result will be similar than if one would become non-HG team during the season, so immediate dismissal and withdrawal of participation right for next season. I'm sure none of you, nor I can ensure you HGL wants that, so let's all deal with and take care of the possible roster issues before Season 1 gets started.

So please, if you have any players that do not comply with HGL rules, sell or fire them immediately and please let us know on any official forum (or on this thread, or by BBMail to me) what you plan to do with them. Doing that saves me a lot of work, and saves your team for later disqualifying.

Hi All,

as Wagner noticed I have two players nonHG(one will be fired this week and second will be sold this week).
I just purchased them to have minimal salry covered recently.

Regadring MrJ sitaution:
option 1: we can skip results with his team(if he decided to give up 1st season of our league)
option 2: for me it's ok that MrJ will not use non HG players during our league (I know we have rules.....)
option 3: maybe there is reserve team which can join our league and arrange games in exactly the same time as MrJ games?

Maybe we should vote or wait for some decision by MrJ (maybe two days so you have time to think )

Hi All,

as Wagner noticed I have two players nonHG(one will be fired this week and second will be sold this week).
I just purchased them to have minimal salry covered recently.

Regadring MrJ sitaution:
option 1: we can skip results with his team(if he decided to give up 1st season of our league)
option 2: for me it's ok that MrJ will not use non HG players during our league (I know we have rules.....)
option 3: maybe there is reserve team which can join our league and arrange games in exactly the same time as MrJ games?

Maybe we should vote or wait for some decision by MrJ (maybe two days so you have time to think )

I appreciate your comments, Paul George...but that ship has sailed!

Both my players are up for sale.

...Draft night!

The Swan River Serpents fans and members are currently swarming around headquarters with the imminent arrival of Victor Wembanyama's little brother. News leaked out late yesterday afternoon of the secret signing. Fans started arriving shortly after, complete with sleeping bags and tents. As each official car arrives at the gates at Silver City, chants of "Wemby! Wemby! Wemby!" are taken up in frantic anticipation.

At 7'3", this reporter is certain that fans and staff will easily be able to spot him when he does arrive and tries desperately to enter the building...

The better question is: Will this be the player that helps lift the Serpents to greatness?

Last edited by MrJ at 3/31/2025 5:37:15 AM

Hi All,

as Wagner noticed I have two players nonHG(one will be fired this week and second will be sold this week).
I just purchased them to have minimal salry covered recently.

Regadring MrJ sitaution:
option 1: we can skip results with his team(if he decided to give up 1st season of our league)
option 2: for me it's ok that MrJ will not use non HG players during our league (I know we have rules.....)
option 3: maybe there is reserve team which can join our league and arrange games in exactly the same time as MrJ games?

Maybe we should vote or wait for some decision by MrJ (maybe two days so you have time to think :) )

Full rules are still to be published, so I understand that you wrote this. But this will be something that can't be voted on. HGL, as long as I'm Commissioner at least, will never become a non-HG league. :)

Like I mentioned in BBMail to you, this rule will be strictly enforced. Should one fail to comply with it, they are out for the current and following season of HGL, so your 'option 1' would have to be used for this kind of team, or then, as the most likely scenario could also be, utilize 0-50 forfeit loss-policy for that team for the whole duration of current season.

So to avoid becoming disqualified yourself, if you are going to sell player(s) instead of firing them, please make sure your selling time ends before April 7th, 15.30EET DST (14.30 normal time, official HGL match time) so that you have time to fire possibly non-sold ineligible players on time, and only have eligible players in your roster when Season 1 starts.

If you (or any other HGL team, of course) have ineligible players in your roster at the time Season 1 starts, you will be disqualified from Seasons 1 and 2 of HGL. We surely do not want that to happen (but will enforce this rule strictly), so I reminded you here once again. :)

As for your 'option 3', it would be handy to have a reserve teams-list for such unexpected situations. Reserve teams couldn't step up once season would have started, but it would be useful backup system for situations like this. I mean nobody knows if someone of us just decides to throw in the towel just before season begins (or fail to comply with HG rules), and that would cause us an unpleasant situation (not ideal to have 15 forfeit loss-teams in schedule/league table). Unlikely, but still remotely possible situation...

Last edited by Wagner at 3/31/2025 7:44:24 AM