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Sorry, no accusation, but what I really don't understand is, why the entire organization is spread across multiple threads: (326590.42) and (326589.26)?!

There are multiple reasons, which I think I have written about in a lengthy manner in this thread earlier.

But as you can see, there is lots of information available on both threads (and more to come), and these forums are not ideal for handling lots of information.

Several things need to be considered when creating official thread(s), for instance usability over long time, continuity (preferable to not make major changes if not necessary for next seasons), ease of access to essential information (note, that both threads first and in future part of second page is filled with informative articles/posts, and in one thread implementation this would spread to the third page turn at the very least), and ensuring every participating manager would see everything as intended (in time) is also important.
Having a separate website for this would remove most of these problems/need for two forums.

First and foremost reason for it though, was that my idea of having every team adding all their regular season box score links to one post, had not seen a daylight at that point. So we were expecting to have 120-240 (120 matches played in HGL) separate posts during regular season from managers announcing their box score links of every single match.

Now this would effectively hinder the usability of the official thread, if it's a mix of this and that ((nobody really wants to see those box score link posts, but they are necessary as they are not visible to other users, and with this new implementation we are able to limit those posts to 16 (one for each team)).

Last edited by Wagner at 3/28/2025 11:40:06 AM

5. Do this with all matches.

6. Ready.

One of the easiest methods, that creates a standard for the league and for box score reporting, would be to use this official schedule as a starting point, here: (326590.5).

For illustration (and usability) purposes I copy-pasted a schedule from that post (found from below).
You are free to copy-paste this league schedule information (below) to your new HGL Scores Season 1 Official Thread-post, which includes links to your all regular season matches.

After each line (on the table below) add:
A) Names of both teams playing in match, or
B) 'v.' or 'vs.', and name of opposition (for example Trouville BBC, or official abbreviation TRO, if you don't have energy to write the whole name).

In addition you of course need to add box score link to the match after team name(s).
Instructions for that provided here: (326590.42) (close to the end of post, at 'So to your post, link the box score in either way').

Regular Season 1 match days:

RS Round 1: Monday, April 7th, 2025
RS Round 2: Friday, April 11th, 2025
RS Round 3: Monday, April 14th, 2025
RS Round 4: Friday, April 18th, 2025
RS Round 5: Monday, April 21st, 2025
RS Round 6: Friday, April 25th, 2025
RS Round 7: Monday, April 28th, 2025
RS Round 8: Friday, May 2nd, 2025
RS Round 9: Monday, May 5th, 2025
RS Round 10: Friday, May 9th, 2025
RS Round 11: Monday, May 12th, 2025
RS Round 12: Friday, May 16th, 2025
RS Round 13: Monday, May 19th, 2025
RS Round 14: Friday, May 23rd, 2025
RS Round 15: Monday, May 26th, 2025

Sorry, no accusation, but what I really don't understand is, why the entire organization is spread across multiple threads: (326590.42) and (326589.26)?!

There are multiple reasons, which I think I have written about in a lengthy manner in this thread earlier.

It is three times the same post … that is not nescessary.

But as you can see, there is lots of information available on both threads (and more to come), and these forums are not ideal for handling lots of information.

One more reason to keep it together and not spread it up.

Sorry, no accusation, but what I really don't understand is, why the entire organization is spread across multiple threads: (326590.42) and (326589.26)?!

There are multiple reasons, which I think I have written about in a lengthy manner in this thread earlier.

It is three times the same post … that is not nescessary.

But as you can see, there is lots of information available on both threads (and more to come), and these forums are not ideal for handling lots of information.

One more reason to keep it together and not spread it up.

I have to agree, Wagner.

Firstly, and again, we fully appreciate the extensive work you have done and are doing for the HGL.

Secondly, despite the fact that I am on BB pretty much every day and reading every post that is posted, the sheer volume of 'information' now has me struggling to:

1. Know which thread I should be reading for particular information/instructions; and
2. Which thread i should post in as there is so much cross-over now

Not sure how we can this at this point...

@T-Lit...1 hour is nothing. You did nothing wrong. There will be minor challenges along the way as we fine-tune this league. Time-zones were always going to be a little tricky (which is why I personally thought it unneccesary). That aside, Wagner has done well to organise them.

We are close to a start, everyone.

It is three times the same post … that is not nescessary.

But as you can see, there is lots of information available on both threads (and more to come), and these forums are not ideal for handling lots of information.

One more reason to keep it together and not spread it up.

You see, this is at the development stage, in the sense that it is finding it's form.
Good example is what I wrote about just a while ago figuring out how we should implement sending box score links (not 120-240 posts, which was the original idea). Everything affects everything, and this especially to HGL Scores thread.

As for three times the same post - I will let you keep your opinion on that. However, for me that also means extra work so I don't do it for fun. I do it because we must get some important information through on time to participating managers, and practices (on where to go with what information) are still just forming. BBMail is usable in some instances, but it's ridiculously limited use makes it a tool which you want to use as little as ever possible (especially when having to inform large number of managers).

On thoroughness of instructions, there could be multiple views. But personally I don't like things done half-assed. And I might not be master in condensing things. But league essentials need to be out there (like I said, something is also still missing from official threads in terms of information). It is not beneficial nor enough, nor sensible, that info on how league works is only in my head and then managers would need to ask about every other thing from me separately.

I would also like to quote MrJ here, to present another point:

Secondly, despite the fact that I am on BB pretty much every day and reading every post that is posted, the sheer volume of 'information' now has me struggling to:

1. Know which thread I should be reading for particular information/instructions; and
2. Which thread i should post in as there is so much cross-over now

Make no mistake, I share this same problem. Like I said, this is also growing pain, and we are (hopefully) growing out of this thread. However, I have seen that most managers still conversate here instead, even though that I've multiple times said in messages that I hope we'll transfer our conversation to official threads. For that reason, I have also sent essential messages also to this thread. As mentioned million times, forums are mediocre at best as a means to keep everyone informed on key aspects, changes and such, as it simultaneously accommodates regular conversation which may bury important information. Good example was the 10 day stretch on this forum - someone said there were about 220 messages sent during 10 days. Good luck everyone trying to find information from there... :) (I had also some posts during that 'run' that would need to be checked out later, but it takes lots of time to find them and I have plenty of more essential things to do - good example of forum usability, especially when we are talking about other than first page that's visible in a thread).

As for usage purpose of threads, Scores thread is not planned for 'everyday HGL conversations' in the first place (however, this principle might become more flexible as we will implement 16 box score posts/season practice instead of 200+ score posts/season), and Official HGL thread serves as a platform for that.

As for what information should be looked from which official thread, one can check out the first about 11 posts on each official HGL thread to see, which kind of information they contain. That's a clue what kind of content to look for. They have not been changed in major way since the publication in terms of changing into another thread - new content has been published though, of course. Some posts are published on both, due to being essential or because I have not decided whether they should remain on both or not.

We are close to a start, everyone. (y)

Yes, Season 1 is closing in, and I do want to remind all HG managers also on this thread that only 6 out of 16 have confirmed they have arranged all their matches for regular season: (326589.9)

Other thing that every manager participating in HGL needs to do after that essential process is finished, is creating and editing your season box score post on HGL Scores Season 1 Official Thread before Season 1 starts. Please note that we are just about a week away from start, so it would be wise to start finalizing this process, everyone!

Instructions for that found from these two posts (that I now also copied to another Official Thread),
here(326590.42),
and here (326590.43).

If you want to see how your box score link post should at least approximately look like, then after reading through previously linked informative posts, please check out this post: (326590.44), which is actually the same as my post just below.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/29/2025 11:51:15 AM

@all HGL participating managers:
you need to provide a similar kind of list (as below) before Season 1 on this HGL Scores-thread (326590.42).
As I don't know if all HGL managers still read official thread actively, I sent it here on Homegrown teams II-thread too.
Instructions on how to easily create this box score link listing is found on messages (326590.42) and (326590.43).


Here are box score links to my HGL Season 1 matches:

RS Round 1: Monday, April 7th, 2025 WAG vs. Trouville BBC (133877471)
RS Round 2: Friday, April 11th, 2025 WAG vs. Big Chillers (133878039)
RS Round 3: Monday, April 14th, 2025 WAG vs. Svätý Jur Snakers (133878241)

RS Round 4: Friday, April 18th, 2025 WAG vs. Heywood Big Dogs (133877473)
RS Round 5: Monday, April 21st, 2025 WAG vs. Suuret Muinaiset (133879673)
RS Round 6: Friday, April 25th, 2025 WAG vs. Lielupes Melnãs Sirdis (133879391)

RS Round 7: Monday, April 28th, 2025 WAG vs. Swan River Serpents (133876945)
RS Round 8: Friday, May 2nd, 2025 WAG vs. Santa Eufemia Ducks (133878043)
RS Round 9: Monday, May 5th, 2025 WAG vs. Rajdersi (133879373)

RS Round 10: Friday, May 9th, 2025 WAG vs. WiMaOlCa (133877161)
RS Round 11: Monday, May 12th, 2025 WAG vs. Madrid Chotis (133877544)
RS Round 12: Friday, May 16th, 2025 WAG vs. Buckner Bandits (133877017)

RS Round 13: Monday, May 19th, 2025 WAG vs. Holy City Hoopers [match=XXX] *Waiting for challenge!*
RS Round 14: Friday, May 23rd, 2025 WAG vs. Elan Demars (133876981)
RS Round 15: Monday, May 26th, 2025 WAG vs. Les Gueux du Marais (133880138)

Last edited by Wagner at 3/29/2025 11:54:24 AM

An Apology

Hi everyone.

Sadly, I had made an almost-fatal mistake believing 2 of my players (who I purchased this season) were former players of mine. In other words, I thought they were original players and were part of my HG team. I was wrong. I confused their names. Thankfully Wagner alerted me to this error now, before the HGL started, saving me some embarrassment.

I was certain Steggall was a retuned 'original' player previously fired. Turns out I probably mixed him up with a Steggall I had when playing BB previously as this is my 3rd reincarnation in BB.

I was unsure with Cheung and had done a quick check early in the season as I recalled firing a Cheung. I was wrong.

I am devastated. One of those players, Steggall, is my trainee SF who had a huge training season and was the foundation I was building a team around. I had planned next season to give him the big skills he needed to become a well-rounded SF. In short, I had mapped out the next 3-5 seasons building around him.

The second player, Cheung, was eventually going to be my future SG and was going to replace my aging SG.

I am devastated as I now need to make a big decision:

1. I can sell both of these players to ensure I am truly 100% HG and keep my spot in the HGL. I can do this before the HGL starts next week or so. This would also ensure no huge disruptions to the scheduling that has already taken place for the HGL. My withdrawal at this point will cause considerable problems with minimal time left to fix them. That, of course, would affect all of you competing in the HGL. The selling of both of these players will be financially painful too as neither will likely sell for their worth.

2. Alternatively, I can withdraw from the HGL, spend 1 more season as a non-HG team and train Steggall hard in his big skills so as to gain financially from his sale at the end of the season. I would also sell Cheung and then, with their sales, become 100% HG and ready for Season 2 of the HGL.

The problem with option 1 is that I will have to run an 8-man roster for the entire Season 68. This will be extremely difficult while training. I am currently running PU game simulations to determine how possible line-ups could work with 8 while getting an idea for how bad their weekly minutes would be. I am trying hard to make 8 players viable.

The problem with option 2 is that I would not be HG for another season when, mentally, I am ready and eager to begin this journey (thought I was starting it). There is also no guarantee I would make any more money on Steggall and Cheung at the end of next season than I would if I sold them now.

So, this is where I stand.

I wanted to let you know what has occurred (my stupidity in overlooking what I thought were returning HG players) and let you know that I will have to make a decision tonight. 8 players would be a tough ask. In my 50+ seasons playing BB I have never run such a light roster.

My apologies.

MrJ

Last edited by MrJ at 3/30/2025 3:33:40 AM

It's strange that you didn't notice. But mistakes happen, we're only human. One thing is clear, you have to play in HGL without them.....

It's strange that you didn't notice. But mistakes happen, we're only human. One thing is clear, you have to play in HGL without them.....

I guess you could be more accusatory so thank you for the neutral tone.

There were a few reasons why I didn't notice. However, the first reason and one others should be aware of is that a player who doesn't have anything written like 'XXXX was pick xx in the Season 66 draft etc...' doesn't necessarily mean he is an original player which is exactly what you find with an original player! This was how I originally missed one of the two players. I did check and once I realised he was in my original league at exactly the same time I had fired some players from my 'starting' team, and I recalled his name, I was confident I was right. It was only when Wagner and I were going through and checking all teams yesterday that he picked up this anomaly on my team (and an issue with another team). I then went through more deeply, eventually looking at the date he played versus the date my team arrived officially. It was then that I realised he couldn't be mine as he had played weeks before my team arrived. I also had a player with the same surname but perhaps I confused him with my previous BB team as I have left and returned to BB 3 times over the years.

Either way, it is done. I stuffed up and I should have checked more deeply.

It is a very costly mistake for me now.

As I have now decided that nothing is stopping me from going HG, I have no choice but to sell them.


Last edited by MrJ at 3/30/2025 5:49:36 AM

As I have now decided that nothing is stopping me from going HG, I have no choice but to sell them.

There is a third option: don’t sell the players and in the HGL matches play with 8 and that’s it. This way, you can train these players in other matches. It’s easily verifiable if you comply or not with putting them in