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They definitely need to and probably do take responsibility for the results of their decisions but you are belying the point I think.

Here I think the smart business thing-
#1 not mess with macros that are not having issue with their size or structure
#2 Eliminate the micros that are a problem and don't work
#3 Try to retain customers impacted by this-micros as much as possible but
#4 Focus on the parts of the model that work and are cost effective.

Making huge expensive risky moves to solve a few angry voices is madness. I want big changes, I think its a great idea etc. but its probably not practical.

Unless then have some capital to invest in advertising to this brave new real world- drastic changes don't make sense.

It's like shaking a fragile piece of art as if it were a snow globe. Wrong solution to wrong problem. At least that is how I see it. Steady, subtle and smart. Radical doesn't work if you don't have any money or resources to even begin to be radical with.

#1 not yet. but if some kind of change only happens in 1 or 2 calendar years, some of them might be in trouble
#2, 3, 4 absolutely

I think the owners need to take a huge risk and leapfrog other availiable games out there. As far as I know one of the main guys is part of a private equity company and there are many other ways to get the money to invest in necessary changes. Utopia was/is a HUGE chunk of money - where did it end up? Server and maintenance bills? I don't know...

They lose money because of micros because the majority just quit because it sucks.
I think in Nippon you are happy, I'm not. YC is not. Sups wasn't, Kuzu wasn't, Stunners wasn't, izaman wasn't.

Now I can't say for certain that all of them left because of micro but I know that they did not and do not like it. They want bigger competition.

This is why they opened these threads in micros. I think they are trying to gauge how much of us hate it as passionately as I do, how many are meh and how many love it etc.

One thing to note here is that the people who really hate micros have mostly already quit. To me the small size of micros is an indication of how and why they suck and do not work as a money maker.

The definition is that there are few users- that is a no-income scenario. It's like a restaurant where you serve meals for $20 that only cost $4 to prepare. It's still not worth it if you have to pay $3000 a month in rent and you only have 10 customers a day. You need volume.
BB needs full-time staff, they need volume. Micros don't help with that.

At the very veyr very least they need to change policy and let people who want out out. Retain customers like me who will/would eventually just quit. I am paying for Utopia, but very grudgingly. Without Utopia, I am not a supporter or member of this game. Nippon leagues are not worth my time, never really were.

Not sure how you figure micros "lose money", it's a few extra lines of code. The money from BB is made from the overall population, not how it's broken up. Would it benefit from more users in micros? For sure. But by that I don't mean rejigging the current population base, but *new users*.

And on the guys who quit... well, guys quit. Some may have been about whatever, some about other stuff. Like all things, BB has a shelf-life. Thee & me simply haven't hit there yet (and regardless of what you say - you couldn't walk away from here if you tried! And you DID try!!! It's in your blood now...).

Anyway... tired as all hell at the mo': big ”ミニ バスケ" tournament this week. Time for a nap!

Last edited by malice at 5/4/2016 4:08:06 AM

I could be wrong on this point, totally. Maybe this game just isn't appealing to people in the world living in lots of countries like Japan etc. etc. and they never have a chance whatsoever micro or otherwise. So there is no point to do anything at all. Maybe. All we know is that micros are unable to contribute to this game, too few users, too few clicks, too few support, too few everything to make it worth their while to populate their server with hundreds of empty countries. Pointless. It doesn't work.

I think that's at the heart of the matter. Now... if it were on a mobile phone (and in Japanese)?

Thing is - I still don't understand why there's a belief that the existence of micros is "bad business". Reiterating: my understanding is that $$$ is calculated on total numbers, not on the basis of micro/macro or otherwise.

I think the owners need to take a huge risk and leapfrog other available games out there.

That's if they want the game to continue. If they do, you're right. If all they do is crunch a few small nations together, they won't need to walk away from the game, it will walk away from them before long.

I believe he [Marin] is trying hard.

I do, too. Now we'll see if they waste all that effort or do something worth all the hard work.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 5/4/2016 11:24:30 AM

I propose the secession of the state of Illinois from BB USA.

Hi everyone,

First of all, i am happy to see this debate open

As a senegalese manager, i vote without any doubt for option n°2

All countries would continue to exist in their current form. Micro-nations would still be grouped together to form new leagues but the current flags, NTs and U21s would not change in any way

I speak for myself but NT is a big part of this game for managers like us. To remove nationalities would be a big big mistake !

Now, as an african manager, i fully welcome an african league. It would be easy cause we all speak french and/or english so no big deal. Elsewhere it is much more complicated.

Balkans
Albania
Montenegro
Macedonia

Scandinavia
Iceland
Norway
Denmark

East-Asia/Pacific
Vietnam
Japan
South Korea
Thailand
Macau
Indonesia
Singapore
Malaysia
New Zealand

British Isles
Scotland
Wales
Ireland

Central America
Dominican Republic
Puerto Rico
Bahamas
Costa Rica
Panama
Guatemala
Jamaica
Barbados
Mexico

Middle-East
Lebanon
Iran
Saudi Arabia
U.A.E.
Pakistan
India

South America
Paraguay
Ecuador
Bolivia
Colombia
Peru

Eastern Europe (For lack of a better name)
Moldova
Belarus
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Kazakhstan

Little Europe
Luxembourg
Andorra
Austria
Malta
Cyprus

I understand what you're tryng to do but to me it appears that option n°2 is the best for areas like Africa, Central America or South America. For others, option n°3 seems better : Andorra should merge into Spain. Wales, Ireland and Scotland should compete with England. Do mexicans want to play in Mexico only, in Central America or in South America (like IRL in soccer). Iranians don't want anything to change, so be it.

All those things said to ask : would it be possible to vote by countries and/or areas you propose and to do what each area wants to ? One week nations vote. The week after the areas vote.

Regards,

Nuff

Last edited by NuffRespect at 5/4/2016 5:20:12 PM