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Lol that one is nasty haha.

Luckely Davis won pretty much every 1500m this season, except the most important one... That made up a bit

Jump Shot: Reggie Miller
Jump Range: Pistol Pete
Outside Def.: Gary Payton
Handling: Mugsy Bogues
Driving: MJ
Passing: Stockton
Inside Shot: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Inside Def.: That Guy from C´s...oh yeah, Bill Russell
Rebounding: Wilt
Shot Blocking: Mark Eaton
Stamina: Wilt
Free Throw: Mark Price

Experience: Kareem

Russell was 6'9". Besides I would argue that rebounding is more about positioning, athleticism, and hustling than it is about height.
Because Wilt was a once-in-a-lifetime athlete should take nothing away from how great of a rebounder he was. The whole era debate is legitimate, but you have to put it in perspective from both sides. Russell and Chamberlain didn't have the equipment, training, nutrition, or 30-40 years of coaching and sports technology development to help them either.

I found 25 guys 6'8" or taller in 1960. What's more, there were only 8 teams.
(http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1960.html)

And this is why analysts usually consider in terms of stat comparision, 71 to now.

Alex English averaged 3.2 rebounds in 31.9 minutes. He was 6'7". I would say 2.6 rpg for a guy who stands 5'3" is pretty good, and a measure of his athleticism. The height of a man is in the stoutness of his heart and all that.

I've seen Rodman play, too. Both when he was a decent player and when he was only interested in getting rebounds. I would put 9 of the 10 factors you mentioned under the term athleticism (which I already did). The wanting the ball part I called hustle. And I agree with you completely that Rodman had all of those things. I just think that Russell and Wilt did as well. Another thing about Russell and Wilt is that defenses were geared to stop only them, whereas Rodman on the Pistons had two other huge guys that teams had to worry about in Salley and Lame-beer. When he moved to the Bulls, teams didn't even guard him because he often times refused to shoot even layups. It's easier to get boards when nobody is guarding you. None of this is meant to take anything away from the Worm who was one of the three greatest rebounders ever, as Rip put it.

Most of the posts are good, some are just laughable:

such as:

Blake Griffin OD ? Are u kidding me?

Big Z Inside Shot? The guy is a 4th option on offense at best!

Laimbeer does NOT have legendary range. He used to shoot a tippy-toes just behind the line three pointer. He WAS a legendary instigator and dirty player.

Lots of people have Jordan for OD, but no one lists Scottie Pippen, who always drew the primary defensive assignment.

No mention of Michael Cooper for Defense. What about Kevin McHale for Inside Shot?

The discussion shouldn't be about whether Rodman was a better rebounding than Wilt. They are both legendary rebounders. We're not trying to crown a champion...

Lebron is scary in the fact that he could easily be legendary in a whole bunch of stats before he's done. You could already make arguments for Jump Range, Driving, Shot Blocking, and a lesser argument for Passing, Handling, Jump Shot, Rebounding, Outside Defense...

Is Larry Bird a legendary passer? He doesn't get as many assists as Nash or Magic, but he also wasn't the primary ball handler.

For Stamina, keep in mind there is no such thing as legendary. It only goes up to proficient.


Last edited by JuggleBoy at 4/13/2010 1:17:17 AM

For Free Throws, keep in mind there is no such thing as legendary free throws or stamina. They only go up to proficient.

Stamina goes to Prominent; Free Throws goes to Legendary.

Lebron has never been a lockdown defender, nor is he a good shot blocker. He's a good weak side defender and shot blocker when help defending.

Seriously, legendary JS and JR? Please.

Jump Shot: Kobe
Jump Range: Ray Allen
Outside Def.: James/Artest
Handling:Paul Chris
Driving: Wade
Passing: Nash/James
Inside Shot: Gasol
Inside Def.: Howard/James
Rebounding: Howard/James
Shot Blocking: Howard/James
Stamina: Rondo
Free Throw: Ray Allen
Experience: Garnett

Last edited by Arlen at 4/13/2010 7:52:28 AM