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From: jonte

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Considering that the majority of users voting comes of the most populous countries, I believe the cowardice and fear of competition is not one of the reasons .


that might seem like an easy conclusion but strangely enough many posters here (from big countries) pointed out, that this feature might be an advantage for supporters, because they gain more experience from this.

i suppose the votings against this feature were made out of a very broad spektrum of reasons. there are people who fear for the effect this might have in lower leagues and for the integration of newbies. then there are ppl who are jealous of this feature somehow. other fear competition. some might vote against this because they prefer Utopia and didn't read the first post. there are many reasons i guess.
but i believe 'the cowardice and fear of competition' is probably one of this reasons ..

From: WFUnDina

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lol I'm not afraid of anything in a cybergame, that offers no rewards.

From: Dormouse

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Here, I agree with you, but between say "it's one of the reasons" and "the majority of the people" in the middle there is a lot of stuff

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smallest communities will be invaded by foreign players... a really bad idea


Hi,

Are you really enjoying the game with 8 "official" active users in South Africa ? In Senegal we are 11, and to me it's not enough to have fun...

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Once again you got it all wrong. If you do it out of altruism then why the hell you are demanding something in return for that?

Edit Perpete:
Watch out on what you are saying. Thanks.


Last edited by GM-Perpete at 1/21/2014 1:02:25 PM

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Issues and possible solutions:
1. draft pick ordering enables second teams to tank and hog all the best trainees
- give draft priority to local teams

Possible new rules:
12. New Manager Bonus rule. Secondary teams do not get the 4 initial weekly $50 000 bonuses. The experience acquired by the managers in their primary teams should compensate for that.



If those two are implemented I'm personally not starting second team:
- fun with creating teams out of completely local trainees, with out need to buy veterans and still being highly competitive is completely taken way.
- new rule putting new team in significantly worst conditions compared to exiting teams in the league.

As a solution for first issue I would recommend to implement waiver draft where all draftees fired by secondary teams will be acquired for free by primary team with a next draft pick. Also they can be spread among primary teams randomly.
Same mechanism can apply if secondary team goes bot.

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I fully agree with the exclusion of the new manager bonus for second teams. Yep, it's for new managers, not new teams :) And it's only 200k anyways.

Also, we should think about the no salary floor period. Cut it down, or eliminate it completely. For micronations, it's basically a tool to abuse the system. I totally abused it in div II, invested about 3 mil into my arena, in my first season only. I imagine it's even more in first divisions. Too big shortcut, in my opinion. Basically, you earn tons of money from attendances, plus you earn tons of money at the financial update.

With these two, local managers would really have nothing to fear. I mean, it's like boxing, while your opponent is allowed to use one hand only LOL After that starting advantage, it gets fair and square.

Other thing, I certainly don't agree with draft reordering. What about people willing to help out the community they join? If I made a second team in Serbia, I would look to contribute to their national team, not sabotage it. Possible cheating should be dealt with in other ways, not like this.

Last edited by Aleksandar at 1/21/2014 2:33:18 PM

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I honestly can't understand your complaint on the second one. As Marin points out, the experience you've already got far compensates not receiving the initial money for new managers.


Money are for the team not for the manager. If money are for the manager let me finance my secondary team from my primary and vice versa. Sounds like a bad idea, is not it?

So once again, since it is opinion exchange thread. If those two are implemented like they are descried I'm not having second team (simply not fun for me, this game is about fun, is not it). Though I will be still not against idea of the second team.

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Date: 1/21/2014 5:46:40 PM
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Once again you got it all wrong. If you do it out of altruism then why the hell you are demanding something in return for that?

Edit Perpete:
Watch out on what you are saying. Thanks.


What am I demanding? You are who are demanding to me to pay or anything to be able to talk about second team... my opinion has less importance than yours because i am not supporter??? Really???

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