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ha nice reverse. but whatever, I don't want to talk about logical fallacies.
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wtf are you talking about. you did not respond to my first post at all, while only trying to avoid the bad aspects of your idea which other and me have mentioned. what if someone meets a) and b) you don't hear him?

may you share your *small-nation-experience-of-BB*? maybe your financial standing? maybe also the exerience of a team in the second division of japan. I have no idea and no experience, so enlighten me. how is it like to play in the II. div in japan. are there bots, are you able to play at the salarylimit and still participate in the playoffs?

how does it feel to start as a newcomer in japan? do you know?

Not sure if it was intended or not, but that's coming across rather agressively. If that's the intent... then well ok, I guess thee & me are done conversing. If that's the case, you'll only get either the same in return, or be ignored.
I'll choose the latter. Have a good one.

Last edited by malice at 4/23/2016 1:03:24 AM

"We're all in this together"... yet here *you* are, telling us what our experience is.

LOL, I expected better from you. My bad. I haven't told anyone else what to think -- you must be thinking of your countryman, who has told pretty much everyone here what to think.

Erm...

Of that there can be no doubt. Anything less than a complete reshuffle is nothing but a bandaid, or as I have said, rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

You categorically stated that there MUST be a complete reshuffle, disregarding smaller nation opinions to the contrary.
Sure, trainerman has strong opinions. So do I. So do you. Difference is, he & I are actually from said "smaller nations".
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If I give less weight to an opinion (note: only on this topic) from a big nation user, then I'm only following ground rules laid down by the boss!

And if you dismiss those from large nations out of hand, you are simply closed-minded.

Not dismissing out of hand at all... just if someone's going to come in with jackboots on, and state THIS IS WHAT MUST HAPPEN - like... your previous comment stating that there MUST be a complete reshuffle.
If you're prepared to come in with suggestions/ideas/concepts that are palateable for the people whose game is going to change, then sweet. Let's talk. If you're simply going to hit me with the same inflexible commentary that you've proferred thus far, then... yup, you'll probably going to find me *close-minded*.

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"...what a great idea for retaining the financial advantages of small nations." - overplayed, dude. I really don't think you have the slightest idea of the "financials" of a small nation team.

And if you are trying to sell anyone the idea that ALL nations are not economically interacting, you are a con, and an unsuccessful one at that.

I haven't discussed "economical interaction between teams" one way or the other. But if you're trying to assert that being in a smaller nation is somehow an international win button due to an imaginary financial advantage, then you're simply mistaken.
Please note: (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/world/overview.aspx)
Inside the top 29 teams, there are one to three teams from what could be considered "micro-nations".

Still... Mike? You're coming across with a more than healthy dose of angst...

Last edited by malice at 4/23/2016 1:10:34 AM

please stop summerizing what you mean to read out of all of this ;-)

LOL !!!

Funny how you say that you "THINK" that countries with less than 450 users are small nations and count them as micros, and then summarize you're "ANALYSIS" by stating something in general, like if it is a fact !!

Mike:

And if you dismiss those from large nations out of hand, you are simply closed-minded.

malice:

Sure, trainerman has strong opinions. So do I. So do you. Difference is, he & I are actually from said "smaller nations".

Good example. Thank you for illustrating my point.

Mike:

And if you dismiss those from large nations out of hand, you are simply closed-minded.

malice:

Sure, trainerman has strong opinions. So do I. So do you. Difference is, he & I are actually from said "smaller nations".

Good example. Thank you for illustrating my point.

- We welcome the opinion of everyone, but understand that we are most concerned with the opinions of those that will be directly affected by any potential change. That means the managers from micro-nations.
- If you're not a manager from a micro-nation, please don't attempt to speak on the behalf of those that are.

Well... I tried.
Thus:
Cheers. Look forward to conversing with you. In OTHER threads...

Last edited by malice at 4/23/2016 11:21:04 AM

We welcome the opinion of everyone

Evidently some don't. Nowhere does it say the BBs are not interested in the opinions of those not in micro nations.

If you're not a manager from a micro-nation, please don't attempt to speak on the behalf of those that are.

They should have added that if you are from a micro nation please don't attempt to bully (an odd word for the small attacking the large but there you go) those from other nations into not speaking on this subject at all.

I'm from neither a micro or a macro, though we're closer to micro in numbers. I don't know what its like to be in a micro. I don't know what its like to be in a macro. But we're all here together, and this change (whatever it may be) will affect everyone. Thus, I would argue the BBs were wrong to say they were most concerned with the opinions of those in micros, but as I already said, they didn't say macros, mediumos, belowaveragos and anyone else and their dog couldn't express their opinions. Just that it would carry less weight.

I also think those people who are attempting to hold BB hostage by saying they'll quit if their beloved country is removed from BB should really get a grip. (I realise that's not you malice, I'm digressing)Its not like they're threatening to not let you play any more. And I've already said I wouldn't object if Trainerman's advice was followed and larger nations than micros (like mine) were also merged.

I'll say again, (because I can) that we should really be looking towards having similar sized leagues (Nations, Regions or whatever) so that we can all play in similar situations. In line with Trainerman's (and others') proposals.






Last edited by Gully Foyle at 4/23/2016 11:43:30 AM

I don't know how to contribute here, there is a lot of variety though the BB world.

But for the proposed Macedonia/Montenegro/Albania merge, there seems to be a reasonable model:

Div I best teams

Div II.1, II.2 Macedonia
Div II.3 Montenegro
Div II.4 Albania

Divs III.1 to III.8 Macedonia
Divs III.9 to III.12 Montenegro
Divs III.13 to III.16 Albania

User numbers are pretty close, Macedonia has about twice many users as Montenegro, Albania has less, but this model would still be pretty fair.

So Macedonia has two new teams in Div I every season, while Montenegro and Albania have 1.

Promotion could be possible to solve this way, and drafts would be a problem only in Div I. You can just put random nationalities in Div I(or force draftees natiionality depending on the team drafting, whatever is easier to implement).

Still, the best solution would be to completely restructure league system.