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202941.6 in reply to 202941.5
Date: 11/20/2011 3:16:45 PM
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Actually a "market" should lead to people playing in the leagues which are "end of the ladder" for them over time. And now that BB is around for a couple of years, most players fit into that category.

In German BBL, there´s like 75% of the players not really improving anymore too. Actually, outside college leagues, I think that´s pretty normal. Only the young guns -really- improve, while the old ones settle for what they do best or improve a tiny bit here and there. If they have room for improvement, they usually change league to a stronger division or league sooner or later. So the majority of the players around are "end of the ladder" or kinda "playing for result, not for improvement".

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202941.7 in reply to 202941.4
Date: 11/24/2011 3:07:18 AM
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Honestly, 80% of the NBA don´t really "improve" any more after finding their role. At a certain level, staying put is hard enough


Simply not true. Look at a team like OKC where almost everyone is improving. The thing is most (not all) young players improve early in their careers given playing time. Some obviously a lot more than others. It would be good if this was reflected in BB. My thinking is something along the lines of the recent changes which have made players more realistic by sending 10% of their training to a random skill so we wont see any more players with legendary JS and atrocious FT. So by the same token perhaps every player on the team participates in training but those outside the selected training position only get 10% effect. That means that players who are old and the wrong height will not improve much but if you spend an entire season training your PGs passing it would make sense that your SGs would get one pop just from being around them. Maybe 10% is even too little but I guess we don't want to see teams of 100 18 year olds getting osmosis training.

From: Kukoc

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202941.8 in reply to 202941.7
Date: 11/24/2011 10:25:46 AM
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If there are guys that improve on regular basis. There must be guys who decline on regular basis. Decline does not start at 33 years old in real world aswell. We have seen guys being at All-Star level decline in 2 seasons to a few minutes off the bench men (with no injury).
Looking at BB, this improving and declining on random, would just ruin the game. Too much random, is sometimes just too much. We currently have a good system, with the great addition of cross-training. I think it's logical to assume, that everyone in your team get's training. That training keeps them at their current level and keeps them from declining. The guys you give individual training to will improve, if they get to use those newly acquaired skills in games, enough minutes per week.

From: JON

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202941.9 in reply to 202941.8
Date: 11/24/2011 2:52:37 PM
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No it's not a good system. Take notes from Hattrick.
And it's not "random"

From: Kukoc

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202941.10 in reply to 202941.9
Date: 11/24/2011 3:15:11 PM
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Your suggestion is not a good system. The current system is better. Wasn't hattrick some dumbo football manager where you have to just train one skill.

From: JON

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202941.11 in reply to 202941.10
Date: 11/24/2011 3:44:11 PM
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Yes my suggestion is very good and realistic.
What do you mean train one skill? That's what we do here.

From: Kukoc

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202941.12 in reply to 202941.11
Date: 11/24/2011 3:57:45 PM
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Your suggestion is bad and unrealistic. Not every player improves, even if you assign a special trainer to him. The current system is better because it's not too complicated.
Here you need to train several skills. You need to change training weekly. Have you found the training page where to change training:)
In hattrick you have only one viable skill to train (playmaking). Whoever plays hattrick anyway. Football is the best drug if you want to fall asleep really fast...

From: yodabig

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202941.13 in reply to 202941.12
Date: 11/24/2011 4:17:41 PM
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Yes real players decline but while realistic I don't think it would encourage players to keep on playing the game when their star 18 year old Hall of Fame draftee Gred Oden keeps on injuring himself and is worse forever while the Kevin Durant they didn't draft gets better and better. (Not that you can actually train a 6'11" player to be a star SG in this game anyway.)

Think of the best player on your team right now. How would you like this message to come up next game, "Torn ACL out for 14 weeks -6 in DR, RE, ST and OD for ever"? It is realistic, just ask Brandon Roy, but would just encourage people to quit a game like this.

Last edited by yodabig at 11/24/2011 4:20:33 PM

From: Kukoc

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202941.14 in reply to 202941.13
Date: 11/24/2011 4:24:06 PM
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That's why pulling the realism card does not actually work in an online game. If you want everyone in your team to improve. Use FT, ST, GS training. You even have team trainings in REB, 1vs1, JR, JS and passing. Not enough options?

From: yodabig

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202941.15 in reply to 202941.14
Date: 11/24/2011 4:33:11 PM
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You and I both know that team training REB, 1vs1, JR and JS are not options. I am sure you have never done them because they are basically sabotaging your team. They are illusary options only ever used by new players who then quit the game when they realise how they have wasted all their opportunities to improve their team.

Last edited by yodabig at 11/24/2011 4:34:16 PM

From: JON

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202941.16 in reply to 202941.12
Date: 11/24/2011 4:42:31 PM
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Yes it is realistic.
And the system isn't good at all when you have to play your 7'0 center @ PG if you want to improve his passing or outside defense. I'd like to see a training system implemented where playing your guys way out of position isn't necessary. It's not realistic and shouldn't be required anyways to improve those attributes
Not everything has to be 100% realistic or accurate but can we not turn this into a circus where 7'5 guys play at PG?
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