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I disagree that base offense should never be used. I think it should be used until you have a decent team with some focus. Most starting teams don't. Most teams will shoot a higher percentage using base offense than they will with PTB. I think Base Offense is a great tactic when you have A) a very balanced team, or no clear advantage. PTB doesn't mean that the team hurries to get the ball across midcourt. It means that the team is more likely to take less high quality shots than in slower paced tactics.

Also, I think that patient is the tactic of choice if you are confident that your offense is better than the defense you are playing.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 6/2/2010 9:51:53 AM

If you are clearly better than the other team, you should hold the ball until you get the best quality shot you can. This is true in real basketball and in this game. Your shooting percentage will be much higher. Look at any of my recent games. PTB means you take more shots, but they are of a lower quality. It does not increase your scoring average, only increases the number of (lower quality) shots your team will be taking. I am better than the majority of teams in my league and play patient most games. I am currently 19-0, and usually use patient and full court press against teams I feel stronger than on offense and defense.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 6/2/2010 10:19:22 AM

If you are clearly better than the other team, you should hold the ball until you get the best quality shot you can. This is true in real basketball and in this game. Your shooting percentage will be much higher. Look at any of my recent games. PTB means you take more shots, but they are of a lower quality. It does not increase your scoring average, only increases the number of (lower quality) shots your team will be taking. I am better than the majority of teams in my league and play patient most games. I am currently 19-0, and usually use patient and full court press against teams I feel stronger than on offense and defense.

As per the Game Manual:
A slower pace will often result in higher-quality shots, but occasionally will result in bad shots at the end of the shot clock.

Two things here. If a slower pace will often result in higher quality shots, but occasionally will result in bad shots, then you can infer that the opposite is true of a faster pace, so not all the shots are of bad quality. It should also be noted that the quality of a shot is not the same thing as the accuracy of the shot, e.g. spotting up and taking an open three is certainly of higher quality than a fade away jumper with a guy in your face, but they both could go in. If your scoring is dramatically better than your opponent's defense, even a lesser quality shot has a good chance to go in. Additionally, the uptempo will create more possessions to allow you to pull away from an inferior opponent.

Yes, we are in agreement. It's the other poster that seems to think you should slow things down when playing an inferior opponent even if your guys could practically shoot with their eyes closed and still make the shot.

Yes, we are in agreement. It's the other poster that seems to think you should slow things down when playing an inferior opponent even if your guys could practically shoot with their eyes closed and still make the shot.

The game manual was written as a brief guide for new players. What it says is not the law. I would take the advise of a D.I team that has been around for a long time and has experienced the game. If I was to play a neutral tactic against and inferior team I would never use PTB. I feel from experience that Base and Patient get you a lot better shots. The risk of have a bad shot at the end of the shot clock is diminished by the fact that you are the superior team.

For example. Say in 1 Possession your players see shot opportunities w/ the following chances of making the shot:

15% 20% 25% 30% 10%

If your playing push the ball your players would probably chuck up the 20% or the 25% Shot. In base or patient they will wait until they see a shot that is above a certain threshold percentage chance. If your the better team your overall looks will be better and by waiting you are going to have a vastly superior shooting percentage.

Yersan: I appreciate you working on this guide to help the new guys, but please do not take the Manual as Law. It is there to be a guide and you will preform much better and learn much faster if you listen to the experienced managers who have been learning from this game for a while. Whether you agree with their points or not at least consider what they have to say (Unless the poster's name is Edju in which case just 1 ball his post)

However, let's say your team is SLIGHTLY better than your opponent and they play a neutral defense... you would still play Patient over Push The Ball to gain the scoring advantage? PTB seems like the better tactic in my opinion, based on the quote above.

In this situation I would probably not play patient, although there are a lot of factors involved. Home or away? His team's OD rating vs. my offensive flow. If I think that my offensive flow is good enough to combat his OD and I am at home, I might play patient. If his team has a great OD, patient is going to result in increased turnovers and a lot of shots at the end of the shot clock. In a game where I am slightly better I usually try to exploit my offensive advantage. So, if I have a better inside scoring game than his inside defense I would go for an inside tactic and try to play a SF with strong inside skills. If the reverse is true and I have a better outside attack than his OD, I will play motion or Princeton and put a shooter at SF. If I don't see a clear advantage, then PTB is a good way to go.

Especially for newer teams, I think it is important to realize that focused tactics penalize you more than they help you. By this I mean that, for example, if you play RNG, your outside shooting gets a bump in effectiveness but your inside shooting is weakened by more than your outside game is improved.

I've been playing BuzzerBeater for about 2 weeks now

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