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Some ideas...
- Having top leagues as a local conglomerate...
- Having a second tier for smaller nations ...

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From reading here, it seems like the majority of those who are *for* this move are from nations that it doesn't even impact. Those from smaller nations seem to be split, but the majority (certainly not vast) tend to not want the straight-Utopian-merge, but something which allows them to participate in what *could* be the best of both worlds.

My main concern is that this is merely a bandaid over a gaping wound, with the lifeblood of BB pouring out. Anyone who sees this as the primary concern for Buzzerbeater at the moment isn't seeing the forest for the trees.

Conglomerate on top, retain the small nation advantages for everyone else ... what a great idea for retaining the financial advantages of small nations. It is no wonder the small nations would like that idea; it keeps the very imbalance that a "merge" is designed to level out.

As far as nations that would not be impacted by even the smallest reshuffle, here is the entire list:
1. ___

We are all in this together and even the slightest reshuffle would impact everyone, at least financially.

You're right in your final paragraph. Of that there can be no doubt. Anything less than a complete reshuffle is nothing but a bandaid, or as I have said, rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

"We're all in this together"... yet here *you* are, telling us what our experience is.
Quoting BBRyan in the initial post of this thread...
- We welcome the opinion of everyone, but understand that we are most concerned with the opinions of those that will be directly affected by any potential change. That means the managers from micro-nations.
- If you're not a manager from a micro-nation, please don't attempt to speak on the behalf of those that are.


"...what a great idea for retaining the financial advantages of small nations." - overplayed, dude. I really don't think you have the slightest idea of the "financials" of a small nation team.

"...it keeps the very imbalance that a "merge" is designed to level out." - erm, say what? You're saying that the primary reason for a proposed merge is to "level the playing field"? Where was that mentioned?

"rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic." - yet you're advocating something that would alienate even more members...

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Says a guy who doesn't even PLAY in a small nation (SMH moment, right there). SAME AS IT IS NOW, DUDE. SAME AS IT WOULD BE IF THEY MERGED NATIONS. Seeing as you don't know, I'll explain: you play at the next spot available.


So me being part of a large comunity of players makes you uncomfortable

Well... I'm sorry but get over it

In Utopia have been lateral movement because there is NO COUNTRY limitation

I'm ok with the "next spot available" but do not "encapsule" Divisions by "country" as you were saying

And of course this is the general forum, if you don't want others givieng their opinions about what you worte, stop writting


Well... to be honest (sorry!), I'm not overly concerned with your opinion, as you're not even from a smaller nation. I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you're not really of the experience to tell us what we should be thinking, or what the best experience for BB should be for us.

I do think that the *financial benefits* that people from large nations keep pointing to is highly overrated, and for the most part: false. If it were so, wouldn't the majority of BB's top teams be from smaller nations?

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And of course this is the general forum, if you don't want others givieng their opinions about what you worte, stop writting


First posting - BB-Ryan

- We welcome the opinion of everyone, but understand that we are most concerned with the opinions of those that will be directly affected by any potential change. That means the managers from micro-nations.
- If you're not a manager from a micro-nation, please don't attempt to speak on the behalf of those that are.

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please don't ignore my arguments just because I play in a large nation (which would be ad hominem, too) and think about it ;)

Not ad hominem. You simply don't share the same experience as those in smaller nations, nor does the cessation of those nations completely and utterly impact you in the slightest. It really does come across as the members of bigger nations telling us what our experience in BB is/should be.
You can *have* an opinion, but don't be insulted if I devalue it somewhat compared to people sharing said experience. Still jonte... at least you're *trying* (unlike some others here who simply yell: MERGE!).

The issue with "new managers", at least from people I've spoken to (I once had 5 of my students sign up - and all quit for this very reason), isn't the lack of competition - it's that at the very first they are competing with teams significantly better than them. Success early on matters.

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Ball for you sir.

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Aaaaand... a ball for you too.

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Who are you and what have you done with the REAL trainerman!!!???


I jest... kinda. But you're on fire tonight. Keep it up!

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For others.
Off to bed now, but happy to engage in discussion. Just don't tell me a) YOU ONLY WANT THIS FOR THE $$$ (erm... huh?) or b) THIS IS WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE IS/SHOULD BE (and you come from a nation of hundreds of users...).

Peace out.

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