BuzzerBeater Forums

I really like the idea of managing a second team for supporters.
But I agree to the proposal of a server outta the BB-World, it´d fit more to the meaning of BB.

I suggest to create four zones, which could be Europe, Asian, and so on, its good for the time of the games as well.
It is only allowed to do transfers between this zones.
But the Teams of this zones should be abel to do friendly with others of "normal" BB-World and take part in BBB and PL, too.
Also it should be possible to form a NT of one Zone, which could join the NTs compations.

In any case I voted for Yes.

I have a suggestion, why don't our BBs get in touch with other games gamemasters. Hattrick and Trophy Manager have this feature, that I know of. They can tell us some statistics and experiences. How does the community react, how do they prevent cheating? How many people from which countries have joined which countries?

For example, many people here don't want foreigners in their country. Guess what, I don't think those foreigners want to play in your country as well. So yeah, it goes both ways.

Who would join your country, are probably mostly people who know the local language, maybe originated from your country, or feel some kind of attachment to your country. They can even become valuable members of the community.

Micronations are another thing, people would join, just to experience managing teams with large flow of money. But mincronations would welcome more competitiveness anyway, regardless of where they come from. I never got a single message from any player from my country, except for one cheater asking me for password LOL And occasionally NT coaches.

Last edited by Aleksandar at 1/19/2014 7:32:25 AM

I voted yes and I won't talk aboit the different cons amd pros because everything has been said before.

I represent the tiny userbase of Luxembourg, which currently consists of 11 teams(maybe 7 are regularly active) and we
would have more users if our league was more challenging.
Several friends of mine left Luxembourg so that they could compete in bigger countries like Belgium or France to get a higher challenge.
I can imagine that if BB introduces this feature that not only foreign managers would come here, but also some former Lux-players would return. Everyone would benefit out of this and our userbase would exceed 20 users lol

Furthermore, several nations don't support the idea of foreign managers "invading" their country and dominating their leagues, but I don't see a problem here.
We would even welcome foreign competition . I can tank throughout seasons without fearing to lose many games and I am still able to win several times the finals without giving my best shot. We also don't have a good NT/U-21 so we don't fear a sabotage or a loss of draft players
Communications won't be a problem because everybody here speaks at least 4 languages.
BB is only a game and I don't understand that some people argue about the nationalities and the "I only want to talk in my language and play with my fellow local players.
In RL we can't tell to a foreign man to leave or not to enter a country. I also can't force the politicians to kick out all foreigners because I only want to speak my language here and I don't like talking english .

Even if I can partially understand these opinions, it also indicates severe discrimination and racism . I don't accuse anyone of racism, I only want to say that this sort of argumentation could lead to the problem that people misunderstand them as racists.

I definitely like the idea of adding second teams, but honestly I don't think the utopia/separate world or U18 teams sound fun at all. I doubt those systems would last long.

The U18 team idea gives too much benefits to supporters if they are allow to develop players for transfer to their primary teams. Anyway, if you only have the players for a limited amount of seasons, then it's not as fun to train them and develop them into interesting builds. And, you remove a strong connection between the user and their team, of being able to follow a group of players as they play and win together for a number of seasons.

The utopia idea just sounds incredibly boring to me. I want players on my second team who have real flags, real names, can make it to U21/NT. Removing that removes a huge draw of interest from me (though, I do support the rule that no secondary team can represent a country in BBB). Another issue is how the transfer market in Utopia would work. With much fewer teams, and presumably no players allowed to be transferred between regular BB and utopia (the utopia players don't have countries that correspond to regular BB world), the market will not work nearly as well. And, would utopia start with all low skilled players, the way BB did? That means it will take a few seasons for players to develop into solid players. Also, none of this mentions the infrastructure needed to create this second BB world.

However, I am somewhat sensitive to peoples' concerns that lower division teams might get overwhelmed by strong managers with second teams. For that reason, I really like the idea of reducing, or removing, the new team bonus money normally given out.

This can not be allowed to happen!
I am greatly in order to make the other team, but it should not be just a Supporter, but the rest of us, because it is a very important part of the game.
It would be like me who are not supoteri can not buy very good players, suporteri should have some privileges, but not that much.
If this happen I'll think to leave the game!

Supporters would not get advantages since the two teams would be independent.

If that was available to everyone, it would still require a payment. No advantages get through it, but more fun. That is one of the three major reasons that idea exist, providing money to BB to further develop the game.

This is not true... supporters will have two differents chances to win a League or to rise... not supporters only one... All the teams will have the same chances, but the person behind the screan not... if you pay you will have the double of possibilitis.



Last edited by El santo at 1/19/2014 10:44:48 AM

I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would be against something that has the potential to bring in money with little impact for most.

Because of justice is more important than money... in my opinion.

Do it! I'll go to Bahamas!!! Finaly!!!!!!!!1111111111

I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would be against something that has the potential to bring in money with little impact for most.

Because of justice is more important than money... in my opinion.

Justice ?

Yes. To allow two teams for money is put the money over the equality... the equality is the first basic thing for understand justice. If money breaks the equality, so money is against the justice.

If you can have two teams for money and i can´t because i can´t pay it, where is justice there???

Pd: justice is not the same of law... law is a social contract, justice is an abstract term. Not always a law is justice.

My english is not very good, i´m sorry.