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Ah, you're one of those people... sportmanship doesn't matter, only being right.

Play this game for math and statistics, fine. I won't.

So here is my explanation in basketball terms. One team showed more effort and the coach of the weaker team did a better job. The end!

Hell... no.

I mean, congratz for your win, it was huge and definetly you hit the jackpot and I agree about your CT, I'm not against it as a move.

But about coaching this game didn't exactly show what you said. A "1 time win by luck" (because that's, at least to me, is what we're talking about) doesn't prove that your coach did something cool.
If the statistics were right and the game would have ended with at least a garbage time for Italy, would you think the same?
I know "if" is not a great way to begin a sentence, though, but a game engine is composed by codes, so statistics and ratings definetly are important, even to someone who see in this David vs Goliath upset a great outcome.

Just for the records, being a former coach and following Lemon's thoughts, I would have played like this:
- CT
- double prediction inside - fast
- motion (as you did) or patient
- man to man (trying to avoid to be outplayed in rebounding, because with the CT and some more shots to take could have give me a slight advantage)

Today is Steven Bradbury's gold anniversary.

Last edited by NdR619 - Pilipinas U21 at 2/16/2017 11:14:20 AM

But about coaching this game didn't exactly show what you said. A "1 time win by luck" (because that's, at least to me, is what we're talking about) doesn't prove that your coach did something cool.

You're right there. It was not super fancy. He played the best strategy he could with the players he had. And that strategy was quite predictable if your coach would have done some minor research.

So you are right, it was not necessarily our coach that dod amazing. It was yoir coach who did aweful. He totally underestimated his opponent, which he is known to have done before. Just a little bit of research would make it quite clear what the options of NL wpuld have been. He could have anticipated that. AND with his enth at give or take 15 he could have played normal the rest of the tournament and probably have won with the strong team and home advantage you had.

So I feel sorry for the Italian community that you have this coach.

So you are right, it was not necessarily our coach that dod amazing. It was yoir coach who did aweful. He totally underestimated his opponent, which he is known to have done before. Just a little bit of research would make it quite clear what the options of NL wpuld have been. He could have anticipated that. AND with his enth at give or take 15 he could have played normal the rest of the tournament and probably have won with the strong team and home advantage you had.

Can't agree with that statement. Look at route to the final of the #1 seed and the #4 seed. Italy would have to beat Czech Rep in quarterfinals for example. Czechs are probably one of the strongest teams in the torunament, and (provided that they will be able to knockout Georgia on TiE, which is not plausible, but still possible) if Italy played normal with Netherlands and Serbia, Squadra Azurra would lose their advantage over Czechs (due to lost enth), which would lead to their exit in quarterfinal.

Please notice that Netherlands, despite their losses with Denmark and Belgium, still were one of the strongest unseeded teams in top 32. However, they still were much, much weaker, than the rest of Italy's potential opponents in next rounds (Serbia in top 16, Czech Rep in top 8, Greece in semis, and finally, Bosnia/Poland in final) - therefore, they had to focus on next rounds.



Last edited by Siwy at 2/16/2017 1:34:18 PM

But about coaching this game didn't exactly show what you said. A "1 time win by luck" (because that's, at least to me, is what we're talking about) doesn't prove that your coach did something cool.

You're right there. It was not super fancy. He played the best strategy he could with the players he had. And that strategy was quite predictable if your coach would have done some minor research.

So you are right, it was not necessarily our coach that dod amazing. It was yoir coach who did aweful. He totally underestimated his opponent, which he is known to have done before. Just a little bit of research would make it quite clear what the options of NL wpuld have been. He could have anticipated that. AND with his enth at give or take 15 he could have played normal the rest of the tournament and probably have won with the strong team and home advantage you had.

So I feel sorry for the Italian community that you have this coach.

Strongly disagree, for what is worth.
When you create a 99-1 W/L situation there is no way you can be considered poor.
Being unlucky does not mean you did something wrong. There was no underestimation I think, simply a fair analysis on the fact that NED was too way behind ITA. And that's what team ratings and matchup ratings displays. Clearly.
Then you won, congratz again, but TIE was the right choice. About the prediction, I'm with you when you say he should have set at least external focus but we're talking about details in a match we should have won by far.

But what can I say, opinions are opinions, I respect your one, you picked up a huge win and it's not in my mind to underestimate the great result you achieved.