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Well you should know that I have a problem with Marin's point that we should not care about Free Agency because it has a very limited impact. Marin and all the people supporting him in his assertions, such as yourself as you openly admit to.

So saying Free Agency won't solve anything because it has a very limited impact on prices, is almost quoting Marin literally. I'm lazy, but if I have to I will go and find the posts, as I remember more than one. This isn't opinions, it's facts.

I'll let people judge whether it's intellectually honest, blaming price deflation on FA rules and then saying that re-enacting the same rules will have no effect. Also someone should explain why when prices hit rock bottom FA rules were very loose and now that prices are sky high they are actually tighter. You see, you can argue all you want, but it will never logically add up.

To be explicit, I am saying that the effects of free agency *NOW* would be very limited.

Ok now I quoted you directly. Answer this question:
if *NOW* the impact of loose free agency would be limited as you say, what is the problem in setting back the rules as they used to be when prices hit rock bottom? And moreover, if free agents have limited impact why would Marin waste his precious time changing the ruls, at least 3 times in the last 5 seasons?

You know, maybe you're right: free agency *NOW* has very limited impact and Marin changed the rules because he wanted to support his narrative about training. It's very easy to prove what you say: roll the rules back and see what happens. If you are right no harm is done since the impact will be limited. If you are wrong no harm is done since prices will start to decrease a little. Perfect scenario isn't it?

Also we're 8 seasons past Utopia and people 8 seasons ago used to say: when Utopia's teams are done training their guys the market will stabilise. 8 seasons is enough to cap most players. Prices are still raising. Utopia only accelerated what would have happened anyway and, as customary to BB, because the staff refused to listen to people labelled as 'whiners' and 'complainers' seasons ago (I do remember also personal attacks by Marin to myself, which Perpete deleted), we're now late in dealing with the problem. Given the way some imbalances have been tackled in the past, I can totally see Marin taking action when the situation is going to be beyond control and overshooting the fix once again.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/24/2016 4:54:35 PM

I'll let people judge whether it's intellectually honest, blaming price deflation on FA rules and then saying that re-enacting the same rules will have no effect. Also someone should explain why when prices hit rock bottom FA rules were very loose and now that prices are sky high they are actually tighter. You see, you can argue all you want, but it will never logically add up.

You're suffering from hypothermia, so we wrap you in warm blankets and try to raise your temperature. A year later, you're running a severe fever. It's the same thing - your temperature is outside the normal range, at a dangerous level. Should we try to raise your temperature again?

And the rules aren't tighter or looser now, incidentally. Some players now that would never have qualified for FA before (guys above 60 TSP and who didn't make the old salary requirements but are under the 60k salary now). Other that would have been saved are now lost (the 60k+ guys).

Now, if you want to say that the current parameters of free agency are inadequate for a stated goal, that is fine. Heck, I wouldn't argue against it if my opinion were asked about adding every player into the pool. But if you seriously want to consider the topic of intellectual honesty, I suggest again that you consider how much effect free agency would have if we lost 10,000 teams in the next two seasons vs. how much it would have an effect if we lose 500.

Last edited by GM-hrudey at 3/24/2016 9:10:24 PM

It would be better than doing nothing.

Still don't get how you think training is king?? Have a look at any d2 team upwards in BB and I bet you no more than 2 of their starting five are homegrown players...

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I know about the incoming demotion, that was planned for this time.

In my league of 10 active users, only 3 are training players with any sense of purpose.

And here lies the real problem. We know that if everybody was training, we would be short in trained players. You estimate that only 30% of the teams you interact with are actually training. The logical conclusion we will all need to play with untrained scrubs at any level. Except for people who are a the luxury tax threshold and have loads of millions to spare.

At this point it should be clear that raising the salaries by changing the salary formulas at all levels would slow down the transfer market, so it's definitely a good idea. However it still does not address the underlying problem, that by default, without a significant influx of free agents, the game can't train enough players (even if 100% of the users were training and not 30%).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/6/2016 6:48:37 AM

What salary range are you talking about and how many seasons of training? I'm just curious.

If you mean you can "train" 9-12 players to 10k-20k salary and 80-ish TSP I could even agree. I'd struggle to call a 3 seasons effort "training", but I'd agree that's possible.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/6/2016 2:05:45 PM

In my league of 10 active users, only 3 are training players with any sense of purpose.

And here lies the real problem.

Exactly! If training were something sensible enough for every manager to do, almost every manager at every level would do it and competition would become intense for wins, for championships, with almost every manager in contention. But as long as it isn't sensible, forget it.

But its also important that its not too easy. Where is the challenge in just selecting from a drop down box? Or just selecting players to receive training?

At least with the current system training players is an actual challenge. It shouldn't be a given that every manager can 100% train any player they want at any skill without doing anything. Theres no competition in that.