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23982.52 in reply to 23982.51
Date: 4/12/2008 8:16:33 PM
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That's not what I said at all. That's a very twisted perspective you got there...

They will train old players because they are patriotic and want to support their country. That's why we have NTs in this game.

They don't deserve to be bankrupt because of that.


of course it was an hyperbole
but i don't change my opinion. NT shouldn't come before my team
if that happens, there's something wrong


That's EXACTLY why reductions are needed.

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A CT? Really?
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23982.53 in reply to 23982.52
Date: 4/12/2008 9:45:19 PM
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That's not what I said at all. That's a very twisted perspective you got there...

They will train old players because they are patriotic and want to support their country. That's why we have NTs in this game.

They don't deserve to be bankrupt because of that.


of course it was an hyperbole
but i don't change my opinion. NT shouldn't come before my team
if that happens, there's something wrong


That's EXACTLY why reductions are needed.


that's your opinion

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23982.54 in reply to 23982.53
Date: 4/12/2008 10:03:25 PM
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that's your opinion


Indeed it is - that's why I posted it.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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23982.56 in reply to 23982.44
Date: 4/13/2008 4:57:19 AM
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You are concerned that the salary reduction will represent a gain financially to the team that has the NT player, but you must also consider how much money they are losing by training an old player.

Training a 22 year old to keep him in the NT will represent on average a X weeks delay on every pop, if compared to an 18 year old. It's like losing X weeks of training. And that's on every pop. Can you imagine how much money is lost like that? (X depends on the training and sevral factors, but you know what I mean)

No, I am 100% positive that salary reductions will not represent a financial advantage to clubs with NT players. They will only reduce the financial disavantage, and hopefully make it at least bareble, otherwise the whole NT system will collapse.


nobody force you to train a player for all his life, and you have another 4o5 slots (if you train 2rules) to make money with your young players.
and i think a strong player will give you more W, so you receive more cash.

the real problem, like Domenico said, is the farm, and BB will become like HT when farms arrive.



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23982.57 in reply to 23982.56
Date: 4/13/2008 5:02:44 AM
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Farms will be here faster if there wouldn't be a reduction, because the salary of players will be that high, so that a normal team can't keep that player anymore. Then we will see the farm syndrom ;).

With a reduction some players might still be affordable in clubteams.

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23982.58 in reply to 23982.57
Date: 4/13/2008 5:11:14 AM
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With a reduction some players might still be affordable in clubteams


the problem is this some.

an example:
i have an italian player with 40k of salary. you have a nigerian player with 50k of salary.
your player plays in NT, my player no because in italy there are stronger players.

so with the salary reduction maybe you pay 40k like me but your player is stronger than mine.
is this right? i don't think so

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23982.59 in reply to 23982.55
Date: 4/13/2008 6:52:40 AM
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the problem is that, like it or not, monster players will exist. a french point guard was recently bought by a farm team, and quite a few big men play in teams whose only focus is on training them.

by not having wage reductions, what the game is saying is that NT players will have to come from farm teams, as nobody sane in his mind is going to pay a $80k salary for a single player.

now, if you want to stick your head in the sand and behave as if nobody will create farm teams, you're welcome to do so. I'd rather see game politics that discourage farming, but whatever. there might be more clever measures? sure, feel free to suggest one.


just increase merchandising for teams with NT players
the final effect would be the same, but it's a more realistic way to implement it IMO

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23982.60 in reply to 23982.11
Date: 4/13/2008 7:04:00 AM
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Good idea !

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23982.62 in reply to 23982.58
Date: 4/13/2008 12:19:29 PM
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the problem is this some.

an example:
i have an italian player with 40k of salary. you have a nigerian player with 50k of salary.
your player plays in NT, my player no because in italy there are stronger players.

so with the salary reduction maybe you pay 40k like me but your player is stronger than mine.
is this right? i don't think so


My Nigerian player plays in the NT and he gets an injury for 7 weeks, while your players has a smaller chance to get injured. Due to his injury i'm trowing away $350k, because he can't play for 7 weeks. Is this right? I don't think so.

What I'm trying to say is that with National Teams there are and will always be inequalitys.

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